3800 difference between wbs dp and zzp dp?

[xierxior]

basically zzp will do $203 shipped for a bolt in catless downpipe with the two gaskets while wbs wants $227? what's the difference here?

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[Sinister Drag Designs]

personal choice more or less....who ever you trust more. both are good WBS you can pick up in person most of the time to save shipping. i think kyle has one for sale

 

[Mike K]

The difference is IL state tax which you have to pay with us and not with ZZP. ZZP's Michigan customers suffer from the same setback.

 

[GTPquickRB]

i have a bolt in for sale. 190 and its yours for the downpipe and the gaskets - WBS brand new. Just selling it for what I bought it for off of chipmonk

 

[xierxior]

Originally posted by 98GTPquickRB@Jul 12 2006, 10:18 PM
i have a bolt in for sale.  190 and its yours for the downpipe and the gaskets - WBS brand new.  Just selling it for what I bought it for off of chipmonk

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dammit! I'm to much of an impusle buyer I already ordered it and that local sales tax thing is going to do nothing but hurt local busineses and make people order out of state as the shipping costs less then the sales tax does.

excuse me and why are we getting taxed again for ordering something via a service the goverment doesn't control nor regulate?

 

[GTPquickRB]

where did you order it? cancel it? Unless it was before 5pm, i doubt its been shipped. I need to sell this, or I send it back, and I don't want to do that. But whatever happens, oh well.

 

[Mike K]

dammit! I'm to much of an impusle buyer I already ordered it and that local sales tax thing is going to do nothing but hurt local busineses and make people order out of state as the shipping costs less then the sales tax does.

Well, the tax has always been there. It really doesn't hurt any local business' as anywhere you go you have to pay sales tax. What it hurts is Ecommerce business' who have in-state customers. For this reason some online companies will incorporate their company in a state they don't think they'll get a lot of business in.

 

[b4black]

The ZZP DP will hit (at the flex joint) a GMPP sway bar if you have one . Flipping the bar solves the problem. Not a big deal, but knowing up front would have made life much easier. I don't know about the WBS DP.

 

[xierxior]

Originally posted by b4black@Jul 13 2006, 08:15 AM
The ZZP DP will hit (at the flex joint) a GMPP sway bar if you have one .  Flipping the bar solves the problem.  Not a big deal, but knowing up front would have made life much easier.  I don't know about the WBS DP.

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what! it better not or I'm shipping this pos back that's simply unacceptable. I have a 3" dp on the car now and it doesn't hit anything the only reason I'm replacing it is because the catalyc is clogged.

I can't flip my sway bar anyways I tried installing it upside down by accident and the ends would hit the steering linkage.

 

[xierxior]

Originally posted by Mike K@Jul 12 2006, 10:56 PM

dammit! I'm to much of an impusle buyer I already ordered it and that local sales tax thing is going to do nothing but hurt local busineses and make people order out of state as the shipping costs less then the sales tax does.

Well, the tax has always been there. It really doesn't hurt any local business' as anywhere you go you have to pay sales tax. What it hurts is Ecommerce business' who have in-state customers. For this reason some online companies will incorporate their company in a state they don't think they'll get a lot of business in.

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time to relocate to alaska? :lolsign:

 

[b4black]

Originally posted by xierxior+Jul 13 2006, 12:04 PM-->

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@Jul 13 2006, 08:15 AM
The ZZP DP will hit (at the flex joint) a GMPP sway bar if you have one .  Flipping the bar solves the problem.  Not a big deal, but knowing up front would have made life much easier.  I don't know about the WBS DP.

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what! it better not or I'm shipping this pos back that's simply unacceptable. I have a 3" dp on the car now and it doesn't hit anything the only reason I'm replacing it is because the catalyc is clogged.

I can't flip my sway bar anyways I tried installing it upside down by accident and the ends would hit the steering linkage.

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Maybe the DP w/o a Cat is different. On my catted DP, the flex point is right at the sway bar. At idle, I had about a ¼" of clearance. Even with solid mounts, the motor moved enough for the flex joint to hit the bar and moke a lot of noise. If the flex joint were moved up ½", it wouldn't be a problem. It might be OK with the stock sway bar.

The ZZP DP was also about a ½" shorter than the stock DP. The cat-back exhaust sort of tugs on it, which I don't like. Zoomer said the ZZP DP was made on a jig and the problem couldn't be their DP. It's a very nice piece, but it could use a few tweaks, IMO.

 

[Xtant12]

well, I got my down pipe from WBS and I had no problems at all with it.. the install at the shop tool little to no time.. and it sounds better.. when I wanted to go with zzp at first they were always out of stock.. thats the good thing about WBS... that always have something...

 

[xierxior]

I'm excited with the cat gone I should be able to run a 3.3 pulley with no kr