3800 ZZP XP Cam...

[rjaz gtp]

does anyone here run this cam? If so what is all needed in addition to the cam to complete the installation on this. I know the VS cam is a little more mild that the XP but its seems that all of the people with the VS wish they would have gone for the XP instead. Any insight would be great....

tia

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[syP]

99gulfbluegtp has one

 

[rjaz gtp]

I guess I should also add, will the VS cam be sufficient for 12's and be less of a hassle to upgrade to? I am assuming the LS6 springs are sufficent for the VS? Do you have to upgrade your timing chain with the VS, cause I know it is recommended for the XP... anyone that has any cam experience please fill me in.

 

[2002SilverGTP]

you will need to run 105 springs and modified retainers(if using stock heads), while in there i would change your valve seals, i also did comp lifters and pushrods but those are optional

 

[rjaz gtp]

What about your timing chain? Did you use your stock one, or did you go with a Rollmaster or something on that line? Also did you just use your stock rocker arms then with that cam? I currently have the 1.9 roller rockers and want to know what rocker setup I need.

 

[imported_Ron Vogel]

Well, the VS is a great choice, but not too far off a rocker set-up. A well done rocker set-up needs an IC for max power to run 12's, and can get you on average about 12.8-12.9 with some real good driving. VS is a small step past that, but w/o an IC and a VS you'll probably be stuck at 13.20's, and 12.7.-.8 with IC.

XP w/o IC is probably high 12 potential, and mid 12 w/IC. If you have head work too, 12.2 to 12.4 would be doable.

105's would be fine with a stock chain, but a single roller or double roller would be a good idea after that. Either way you CAN run a stock chain, but plan on replacing it more often.

 

[DaytonaPrixMI]

THe VS will get you into 12's with the supporting mods. I am running 12.8x's with temps in the 80's and 90's and slicks. At nationals I ran a 12.814 with track temp in the 130's. You can find all my mods listed here

I hope this helps if you have any questions about the VS let me know.

 

[2002SilverGTP]

i have a doubler roller chain and no balance shaft, you can disable the balance but on my setup we chose to remove it completely, yes will need to run the stock rockers, if you want to run any larger rockers you will need to have head work done to allow for the additional lift

paul

 

[imported_Ron Vogel]

Originally posted by DaytonaPrixMI@Aug 26 2005, 10:17 AM
THe VS will get you into 12's with the supporting mods. I am running 12.8x's with temps in the 80's and 90's and slicks. At nationals I ran a 12.814 with track temp in the 130's. You can find all my mods listed here

I hope this helps if you have any questions about the VS let me know.

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No doubt about it, I was speaking of averages though. VS will get you 12's, and some have kissed 11's, but so have those with rocker cars. I've heard the XP on several occassions, and it's not too aggressive sounding. The most aggressive sounding cams I've heard are Mike K.'s and the NIC.

 

[Royalgtp]

everyone with a cam eventually wants to go bigger....



I thought my TA was crazy with 224/224 but I am use to it now and would have like somehting a little bigger 228/228 ...230ish.. or something...

I still want decent MPG and stuff though........Id never go full out all crazy on it.....

 

[sr71_rgl]

Pictor recently completed my rebuild w/the following "improvements"

- XP cam
- reworked intense stg 2.5 heads
- 130lb seat pressure springs (shimmed 90s)


I still have some tuning to do but I'll tell you this much. Even running only 13* of timing and 02s in the high 800s (no KR thankfully) the XP makes TONS more torque all across the rpm band than the HL I had in before. I'm running a really nice set of re-worked ShitTense stg IIs but PnP heads aren't required for the XP. You can do it with as little as 105 springs, and modded retainers w/stock heads. Quite a few guys are making good power on that simple of a setup.

 

[Kyle]

doing a cam was the best mod i ever did, i think the xp would be anice choice just from looking at the hp list, wish i woulda gone with that one instead.

 

[dole21]

id ditch my 1x for the xp in a heartbeat...just not impressed with the 1x..granted its faster just not that happy

 

[DaytonaPrixMI]

I think I am the only happy VS owner here :lolsign:

 

[sr71_rgl]

Originally posted by DaytonaPrixMI@Aug 29 2005, 08:00 PM
I think I am the only happy VS owner here  :lolsign:

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You should be happy. The VS is a damn fine cam, but seeing how all cams cost pretty much the same new people tend to go for the best one they can. IMHO zzp focuses more on the most torque under the curve whereas Shittense's goal is peak HP.

 

[num482]

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I think I am the only happy VS owner here  :lolsign:

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You should be happy. The VS is a damn fine cam, but seeing how all cams cost pretty much the same new people tend to go for the best one they can. IMHO zzp focuses more on the most torque under the curve whereas Shittense's goal is peak HP.

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My VS and zzp full size IC play nice together.

 

[syP]

my brother is happy with his VS cam.. maybe beacuase he can own me anyday.. hah

 

[Kyle]

what does your brother run?

your car is capable of more, just gotta figure what the prob is with your car.

 

[CoolGTX]

Originally posted by sr71_rgl@Aug 28 2005, 10:58 PM
Pictor recently completed my rebuild w/the following "improvements"

- XP cam
- reworked intense stg 2.5 heads
- 130lb seat pressure springs (shimmed 90s)


I still have some tuning to do but I'll tell you this much. Even running only 13* of timing and 02s in the high 800s (no KR thankfully) the XP makes TONS more torque all across the rpm band than the HL I had in before.  I'm running a really nice set of re-worked ShitTense stg IIs but PnP heads aren't required for the XP.  You can do it with as little as 105 springs, and modded retainers w/stock heads. Quite a few guys are making good power on that simple of a setup.

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is that Dyno TQ, or Butt/ass TQ.?

 

[sr71_rgl]

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is that Dyno TQ, or Butt/ass TQ.?

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Ass dyno boss...I haven't had it on a real dyno yet

 

[superchargedgp]

well my XP just went in today

it TOTALLY OWNED my rockers :lolsign:

 

[Kyle]

u did an xp mike? damn i'm really interested to see what your car runs now with that.