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Old 01-22-2018, 01:52 PM   #1
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So, after doing some soul searching, I've realized that a T56 swap is probably out of the budget for my 3800 Camaro.

There is another option out there, the Aisin AY6 from the 2010 V6 Camaro. It holds more power than my ratcheting T5 could, and locally they go for about $600 with low miles.

I don't know if they have a removable bellhousing though. I can only find stock images, so I also don't know if the bellhousing has a provision for a starter motor. Worst case I would have to make another adapter (like I did for my 3800 truck), and machine and weld a bump into the bellhousing, but how does one measure for a custom clutch? Does anybody know if the high-feature bellhousing bolt pattern is online anywhere? If I had to get a machine shop to measure the bolt pattern it would set me back, but overall the cost would still be less than just getting a T56.

The other provision I have to worry about is the driveshaft and shifter, but I'm sure those won't be rocket science. I figure, if the TR-6060 can be swapped into a 4th gen, no reason I can't find a way to get the AY6 in, even if I have to push the 3800 a few inches forward in the engine bay.
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Wouldn't it be more cost effective to just buy an LS1/T56 car?
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I beleive that trans is junk as well
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Wouldn't it be more cost effective to just buy an LS1/T56 car?
LS1 cars are available for $600?
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LS1 cars are available for $600?
You don't think the only cost incurred is the price of the transmission do you? Plus you could sell the old car once you get the new car making the difference potentially less than doing a custom swap.

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And also junk
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You don't think the only cost incurred is the price of the transmission do you? Plus you could sell the old car once you get the new car making the difference potentially less than doing a custom swap.



And also junk
you evidently haven't seen any of this guy's build threads apparently.
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you evidently haven't seen any of this guy's build threads apparently.
Sure, I'll drink that KJ water and say it's totally worth buying a $600 shit trans and assume there will be no other costs associated with making it work. Sign me up for that good deal.
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What is junk about the AY6? That it can't handle LS power? If it works equal to or better than a T5, then what does it matter? Especially considering 3800 power levels. It's rated for 345ft-lbs. The most I would consider doing to this motor is swap it for a basic 3.4 pulley L67, but even that shouldn't break the 345ft-lbs level, and it would be in a car that's between 500-1000lbs less than it's other applications.

LS cars out here are going for $12-$18k. Anything in the $8-$12k range is a rust bucket, anything less than $8k is a parts car, because the T56/LS1 combo is apparently super special. Mine is rust free from Georgia, so why the hell would I bother with a rotted out LS car? Tax time is about to hit, so I see that number going up again. A 3800 Camaro goes for $4k at best.

And yes, I have a pretty good idea what something like this costs. I can't even touch a used T56 for the investment I would have into the project, let alone all the adapters and other custom modifications I would have to do for it.
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Ehhh... You can track down running/driving LS T-56 cars for $5,000-$6,500 if you're patient. Where are you that decent cars are 2-3x what the midwest prices them at?
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Actually nope, you don't even have to be patient.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/c...466520597.html

https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d...463177745.html
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Also, see previous comment about rust buckets.
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Sure, I'll drink that KJ water and say it's totally worth buying a $600 shit trans and assume there will be no other costs associated with making it work. Sign me up for that good deal.
wtf are you talking about?
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wtf are you talking about?
Sorry, was trying to apply your logic in my reply and it went as expected. 10/10
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Sorry, was trying to apply your logic in my reply and it went as expected. 10/10
HAHAHAH THANKS
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or perhaps I meant this dude SWINGS from 3800s on here harder than pretty much anyone... he put one in an 80s truck, he frankensteins projects like this frequently... that's what i meant by what i said

but yeah, thanks for being mature about it
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or perhaps I meant this dude SWINGS from 3800s on here harder than pretty much anyone... he put one in an 80s truck, he frankensteins projects like this frequently... that's what i meant by what i said

but yeah, thanks for being mature about it
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Dat all caps doe!!
maybe he could just go buy a brand new camaro, rip the drivetrain out of it, and stop making payments on it...

now ive applied your logic to it?
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weird. someone ran out of logic.
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this thread is going well
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Wow. thanks guys!

So far it looks like the truck variant of the AY-6 might have a slip yoke, still researching details.
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weird. someone ran out of logic.
Itís really not worth arguing with you. Youíre always so salty
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I'm really not. but thanks for playing.
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