Forum Register Members Casino Live Posting Feed Garage Arcade Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   The Chicago Garage > The Garage > Automotive Discussions > 3800 Discussion

User Tag List

Like Tree31Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 03-25-2014, 02:44 PM   #1
Welllllllllll ya knowwwwwww.....
 
Turbocharged400sbc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: hangover park IL
Posts: 26,499
Casino cash: $46588000
6.08 per day
Default ICM "stacking" aka multiple ICM's in parallel...

so while I was scratching my head over my radiator fan shroud on the Toyota... I started thinking about the one gentleman who joined up... I completely forget his screen name... who wired ICM's in parallel....
now my inital thoughts were to use our ICM as a logic driver for LSx coils ran in parallel...the upside of this being that the coils are firing at the same kilovolts from bank to bank.

but last night after playing with a few of my junk ICM'S. ... I think I like this dudes solution is quite elegant if I can pull off a stacking plate and tig the coil primary terminals together.

with the new mounts a deck on the TR I have to make a new ICM mount so this is the perfect time to play.

I'm going to do a really good emi shield on the new ICM loom... as I'm not sure the ICM inputs are completely isolated though I know they do have some noise filtering...

this should be fun I look forward to electrocuting myself soon
Yaj Yak, SleeperLS and 1quick like this.
__________________
Double D Racing: Over-engineered and under-funded
Schlimbuilt: 32 orders of magnitude above "good enough"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15tJ...ew?usp=sharing
04 GTP clone, a nice heap
84 Cressida waGN 3800jz-gte swapped scrap pile
68 F250 camper special 390fe/np435/d60...EFI 460/5spd ZF someday
94 Olds 442 (462ci-4wd-2 engines) new chassis underway... L67/4t80e^[email protected]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfman View Post
3800>all other technology ever
Turbocharged400sbc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2014, 04:40 PM   #2
 
TonzKnock-G's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Shitcago
Posts: 13,446
Casino cash: $18878700
3.12 per day
Default

TommyGloves likes this.
__________________
12 Chrysler 300
TonzKnock-G is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2014, 07:24 PM   #3
. .
 
boostedguy05's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,905
Casino cash: $18512000
6.46 per day
Default

Panda would say stock is the fastest. why waste the time. its still slow and it will break on or before the first pass.
/ panda rant,

i say get creative and actually do it
boostedguy05 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2014, 07:27 PM   #4
Welllllllllll ya knowwwwwww.....
 
Turbocharged400sbc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: hangover park IL
Posts: 26,499
Casino cash: $46588000
6.08 per day
Default

EHRMEHGERD MERR SPERK
Turbocharged400sbc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2014, 07:48 PM   #5
A V6? What a ripoff...
 
Handsome Jesus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Carpentersville, IL
Posts: 9,143
Casino cash: $15172921
2.09 per day
Default

SPERK PLERGS
__________________
Double D Racing: Over-engineered and under-funded

Handsome Jesus...
Handsome Jesus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2014, 08:08 PM   #6
Welllllllllll ya knowwwwwww.....
 
Turbocharged400sbc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: hangover park IL
Posts: 26,499
Casino cash: $46588000
6.08 per day
Default

EGGNISCHEON WERRS
Turbocharged400sbc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2014, 08:12 PM   #7
No Fucks Have Been Given
 
02BlueGT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Now apearing in Hanover Park
Posts: 9,918
Casino cash: $10610940
2.41 per day
Default

Reason # 10,001 that the TR will not be done until 2025


/thread
smug and HILROD like this.
__________________
2002 GP GT....Slowly Getting Slower

DD racing is the best, DD racing is the Fastest

President of No Fucks Given Racing, a subdivision of DDR.
02BlueGT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2014, 08:20 PM   #8
 
1quick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: coal city
Posts: 18,999
Casino cash: $139541447
4.59 per day
Default

Make me one too, I was thinking the same thing after that dude posted that I have a few icm's and harnesses
Yaj Yak likes this.
__________________
2016 GT 5.slow
1quick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2014, 08:21 PM   #9
The Midnight Sweeper
 
SleeperLS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Sandia Mountain
Posts: 10,664
Casino cash: $70763675
2.76 per day
Default

__________________
2010 Toyota Tundra 4wd SR5 TRD Offroad
2017 Can Am Maverick Max X3 XDS

SleeperLS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2014, 09:43 PM   #10
Please go back to eating crayons
 
smug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Cedar Lake, IN
Posts: 7,063
Casino cash: $15983965
1.64 per day
Default

Yup I am just going to install a oil catch can and delete the cradle bushings. I am pretty simple.
__________________
2015 Honda Accord Coupe EX-L V6 Navi
Lowered on 20's
Kick ass stereo
smug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2014, 09:58 PM   #11
Welllllllllll ya knowwwwwww.....
 
Turbocharged400sbc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: hangover park IL
Posts: 26,499
Casino cash: $46588000
6.08 per day
Default

you're about as simple as drilling super high strength steel
Turbocharged400sbc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-2014, 07:17 AM   #12
Please go back to eating crayons
 
smug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Cedar Lake, IN
Posts: 7,063
Casino cash: $15983965
1.64 per day
Default

Boron bitch
Turbocharged400sbc likes this.
smug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-2014, 01:22 PM   #13
 
turtleman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Villa Park, IL
Posts: 636
Casino cash: $7259800
0.18 per day
Default

Anyone know the thread referenced in the OP or what all is the scoop on running parallel ICM's?
__________________
Why have a great race car and a practical daily driver when you can build one sweet car that does a piss poor job of both and looks like a turtle!
[IMG][/IMG]
turtleman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-2014, 01:28 PM   #14
 
1quick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: coal city
Posts: 18,999
Casino cash: $139541447
4.59 per day
Default

http://www.thechicagogarage.com/foru...ld-thread.html
1quick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2014, 04:43 AM   #15
Welllllllllll ya knowwwwwww.....
 
Turbocharged400sbc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: hangover park IL
Posts: 26,499
Casino cash: $46588000
6.08 per day
Default

hacked apart one of my broken ICM's

figured id map out the coil primary terminals and see whats doable



here you can see the individual trigger circuits with the black plastic between

i did a bit of work to the plastic and managed to bend over the terminals easily to allow the ICM's to stack directly above each other.
should be easy to solder some braid from it to a modified upper and seal it all up with RTV so that the two modules are joined with 6 primary circuit taps and weathertight.
so at least it'll be semi servicable and fit a heatsink between em



as you can see its quite nice...


a rough draft as it were...

Yaj Yak likes this.
Turbocharged400sbc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2014, 05:23 AM   #16
 
1quick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: coal city
Posts: 18,999
Casino cash: $139541447
4.59 per day
Default

Yaj Yak likes this.
1quick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2014, 09:35 AM   #17
 
PANDA's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: FRG
Posts: 34,016
Casino cash: $59246500
7.76 per day
Default

God damn stop fucking with this useless shit. People have made more power and gone faster with less.
__________________
PANDA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2014, 10:46 AM   #18
 
jdredd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 671
Casino cash: $10541200
0.35 per day
Default

I guess I be dumb, but I assume this is to get more powerful spark?

If so, I plan on just running the MSD box crap like ZZP does on the drag car. Couple wires
and the doofy red adapters that go under the coils. Its some $$ I guess, but
it already exists and easy to hook up. I have to get to that point first to even
bother tho. So far haven't had a problem of breaking up on the high end.
jdredd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2014, 10:56 AM   #19
BITE BITE, SIP SIP
 
The Broken Regal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Wheaton
Posts: 14,715
Casino cash: $18232850
3.38 per day
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PANDA View Post
God damn stop fucking with this useless shit. People have made more power and gone faster with less.
While I usually agree with you on this, for the spark, that isn't the case

Majority of the fast cars and big power cars had to switch to some sort of different coils or at least use the MSD DIS6 iirc system... that is $$$$, even used.

If this corrects that by using a couple stock ICMs, then thats a bunch saved and still effective
The Broken Regal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2014, 11:53 AM   #20
 
1quick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: coal city
Posts: 18,999
Casino cash: $139541447
4.59 per day
Default

in for running a .070 gap and 25 lbs of boost
Yaj Yak likes this.
1quick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2014, 12:34 PM   #21
Welllllllllll ya knowwwwwww.....
 
Turbocharged400sbc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: hangover park IL
Posts: 26,499
Casino cash: $46588000
6.08 per day
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PANDA View Post
God damn stop fucking with this useless shit. People have made more power and gone faster with less.
if stock is fastest, stock is bestest....then two stock is fasterest, besterest
Turbocharged400sbc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2014, 12:54 PM   #22
 
jdredd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 671
Casino cash: $10541200
0.35 per day
Default

Be interesting if this all works out.

The MSD DIS boxes seem to have a high failure rate... which is why I havent
bothered even ordering ahead of time.
jdredd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2014, 12:58 PM   #23
Welllllllllll ya knowwwwwww.....
 
Turbocharged400sbc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: hangover park IL
Posts: 26,499
Casino cash: $46588000
6.08 per day
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1quick View Post
in for running a .070 gap and 25 lbs of boost
dunno about that...but opening it up to .045 was where the idle was much better...much better than idle quality with .028

the factory power supply to the icm/inj/etc is pretty convoluted with some circuits going through 6 connectors...and each of those with the resulting resistance/voltage drop...much the same way a 8-10amp FP benifits from a rewire id say that it would be a requirement in this case...

im pretty sure that these ICM's would be equipped with a dc-dc converter to keep noise out of the 3x/18x/7x signal calcs...but even then tapping into the alternator for the new icm/inj feed relay should help...besides its mostly wired in already with the redundant FP relays next to it

wayyy cheaper than an MSD DIS 4... i still havent seen a used one for less than 250/300 and thats not even including the coil adapters

besides its something to practice layout, getting much better.
as they say, practice makes perfect fun of trolling pandawg
Yaj Yak likes this.
Turbocharged400sbc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2014, 12:59 PM   #24
Welllllllllll ya knowwwwwww.....
 
Turbocharged400sbc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: hangover park IL
Posts: 26,499
Casino cash: $46588000
6.08 per day
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jdredd View Post
Be interesting if this all works out.

The MSD DIS boxes seem to have a high failure rate... which is why I havent
bothered even ordering ahead of time.
Turbocharged400sbc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2014, 01:18 PM   #25
Harbor Master
 
Yaj Yak's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 86,517
Casino cash: $130399000
19.73 per day
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbocharged400sbc View Post
dunno about that...but opening it up to .045 was where the idle was much better...much better than idle quality with .028

the factory power supply to the icm/inj/etc is pretty convoluted with some circuits going through 6 connectors...and each of those with the resulting resistance/voltage drop...much the same way a 8-10amp FP benifits from a rewire id say that it would be a requirement in this case...

im pretty sure that these ICM's would be equipped with a dc-dc converter to keep noise out of the 3x/18x/7x signal calcs...but even then tapping into the alternator for the new icm/inj feed relay should help...besides its mostly wired in already with the redundant FP relays next to it

wayyy cheaper than an MSD DIS 4... i still havent seen a used one for less than 250/300 and thats not even including the coil adapters

besides its something to practice layout, getting much better.
as they say, practice makes perfect fun of trolling pandawg
seriously would love this.
__________________
01 525i
01 turbo pricks
13 gas 3500hd cclb

Quote:
Originally Posted by Outlaw View Post
TCG: We pull vanity fair models in our F150ís because Teslaís are unsafe.
Yaj Yak is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:22 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.0.6 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
no new posts