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Old 08-10-2018, 01:49 PM   #1
 
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Chicago and railroad police use of "bait truck" caught on viral video, is criticized by alderman, ACLU - Chicago Tribune

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A joint investigation by Chicago police and the Norfolk Southern Railroad that used a truck loaded with goods and left parked in Englewood as a lure for potential thieves has come under fire after video of the operation went viral.

“This bait truck operation is an unacceptable and inappropriate use of police resources,” said Ald. Roderick Sawyer, 6th, chair of the City Council’s Black Caucus. “In a moment where police capacity is clearly under extreme strain, these sort of tactics are the last thing we should be spending manpower and energy on.”

A video shot earlier this month that was posted on the Facebook page of community activist Charles Mckenzie appears to show officers arresting a man after he allegedly broke into a “bait truck” in the Englewood neighborhood. People on the video argue that community members are being set up for arrest.

Police have often used bait vehicles to catch people in the act of committing a robbery or a theft. Susan Terpay, a spokeswoman for the Norfolk Southern Railroad police, which worked with Chicago police on the investigation, defended the Englewood investigation, noting these sting operations are tactics used by law enforcement to crack down on patterns of thefts in certain areas.

She said the two agencies were going after people who have been breaking into freight containers in rail yards and nearby areas on the South Side. Terpay said three people, ranging in age from 21 to 59, were arrested during the operation.



“The suspects saw a parked, unmarked trailer and then proceeded to cut open the safety seal with box cutters, broke into the back of the trailer and only then did they find retail shoes in unmarked brown boxes, previously secured and hidden inside,” Terpay said in an email.

The tactic is controversial, however, because some consider it a form of entrapment. After Mckenzie’s video footage was first reported by the news website vox.com, the American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois issued its statement condemning the practice.

“Police in Chicago must focus on building trust and better relationships within the communities they serve, not engage in stunts like bait trucks,” said Karen Sheley, director of the ACLU of Illinois’ police practices project. “The Chicago Police Department admits that it can’t solve murders and violent crimes because communities of color don’t trust the Chicago police. These stunts won’t help.”

Mayoral candidate Lori Lightfoot, former head of the Chicago Police Board, also blasted the operation.

"Especially after a weekend with seventy shootings and zero arrests, news of this bait truck operation is an appalling display of misplaced priorities and a step backwards on the path to trust and legitimacy,” Lightfoot said in a statement.

In one of two videos posted on vox.com, a white semitrailer truck can be seen under “L” tracks as a group of passers-by angrily walks toward a group of Chicago police officers.

“Watch for the bait truck. They’re getting everybody out here, man,” one person says.

“It’s a setup, man,” someone said. “That’s how they do us.”

The people shout at officers, who eventually drive off in several police vehicles. At one point, a man can be seen standing with his hands behind his back in the middle of the street surrounded by a group of officers.

“They left a bait truck with … a lot of Nikes in there,” someone says. “Why would you all do that in the hood, though?”

Mckenzie could not be reached for comment Wednesday. A Chicago police spokesman referred all inquiries to Norfolk Southern, saying Chicago police only assisted the railroad in the investigation.

Cook County court records show that David C. King, 36, was arrested shortly before 8 p.m. Aug. 2 and charged with burglary. A Chicago police arrest report of the incident gives the following narrative:

The department was working with Norfolk Southern Railroad police on an investigation dubbed “Operation Trailer Trap” near 59th Place and Princeton Avenue. Officers saw two people approach the back of the trailer and break its seal. The officers saw those two people open the trailer door before fleeing.

About three minutes later, officers saw King, who is deaf and communicates through sign language, enter the trailer, and they radioed in his description. King ran from officers east on 59th Place but was quickly caught and arrested.

With an officer present who understands sign language, King told police he entered the trailer to take food.

During a bond hearing at the Leighton Criminal Court Building on Aug. 3, King was released on his own recognizance by Cook County Judge David Navarro. His next court date is Thursday morning.
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Only in Chicago and California would people protest something like this...
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Fucking ACLU... It's never that their people are actually guilty of something!

It's ok when they're legitimately stealing from rail cars/trailers in a rail yard, but not when they set something up on purpose. Fucking morons.
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When is the protest?

Poor guys gotta earn a living stealing your shit, and you evil working-class bastards trap him! Shame on you!
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How is it entrapment for the people to break into a sealed and locked container?


I could see them bitching if a cop went to these people in advance and said "hey, truck number x is going to have a load of tv's on it and not have guards on Tuesday!"


Just leaving an item to watch it though is not entrapment.
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I don't agree with this being entrapment, that's ridiculous.

That being said, I feel like they're going after the wrong criminals. They should be using those resources to catch murderers and people that commit crimes with gun. Sure, you'll probably catch a few random murderers stealing.

I'd rather see the police department spending resources on capturing violent offenders. Those people are far more dangerous to society, at least in my opinion. I feel that filling jail cells with petty thieves is a horrible waste of jail space with all the murderers running loose in Chicago.
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I don't agree with this being entrapment, that's ridiculous.

That being said, I feel like they're going after the wrong criminals. They should be using those resources to catch murderers and people that commit crimes with gun. Sure, you'll probably catch a few random murderers stealing.

I'd rather see the police department spending resources on capturing violent offenders. Those people are far more dangerous to society, at least in my opinion. I feel that filling jail cells with petty thieves is a horrible waste of jail space with all the murderers running loose in Chicago.

They probably prosecute the thefts stronger than the violent offenders.
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I'd rather see the police department spending resources on capturing violent offenders. Those people are far more dangerous to society, at least in my opinion. I feel that filling jail cells with petty thieves is a horrible waste of jail space with all the murderers running loose in Chicago.
They've had instances of firearms being stolen from trains/trailers in these areas in the past. https://abc7chicago.com/archive/9533218 and https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...482746501.html
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AGAIN, when people are just this stupid, you can't waste time debating them, they are just too stupid.
A POS criminal is a POS criminal, no matter why the rig was parked there.
You can't make me see a rig sitting some where, and cut it open!!!
Won't happen, and I'm willing to bet most of you wouldn't cut it open either!!!!!

It's perfectly fine to stake out a set up vehicle, a broken down vehicle, or a repeat crime area in my book.
A civilized, decent human being does not cut open someone else property,
so whining it's a set up just proves you are a clueless POS loser!!!!


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They've had instances of firearms being stolen from trains/trailers in these areas in the past. https://abc7chicago.com/archive/9533218 and https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...482746501.html
Dayum didn't know that. That kinda changes my opinion then I guess.
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They've had instances of firearms being stolen from trains/trailers in these areas in the past. https://abc7chicago.com/archive/9533218 and https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...482746501.html
Thats been happening for over 20 years. I might have even mentioned here before.
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That being said, I feel like they're going after the wrong criminals. They should be using those resources to catch murderers and people that commit crimes with gun. Sure, you'll probably catch a few random murderers stealing.

I'd rather see the police department spending resources on capturing violent offenders. Those people are far more dangerous to society, at least in my opinion. I feel that filling jail cells with petty thieves is a horrible waste of jail space with all the murderers running loose in Chicago.
This is exactly my problem with it as well. If caught breaking in to these trailers its a simple fucking theft. Most if not all will be out in a few hours on an I-Bond.
HUGE waste of CPD manpower that can be dedicated to bigger things
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If you think cpd was wrong for doing this, you are what’s wrong with this country.
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did they run out of real cases and violent incidents to resolve?
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I see the point some are making about wasting time & resources when they already have so many open cases.
You are taking people away from already committed crimes.

As posted by me & others, if you are whining about a POS criminal being set up, you're a moron.
You put that same rig in Orland, New Lenox, Manhattan etc etc I bet it sits unharmed for days, weeks, month's!!!
I would bet it gets complaints about it sitting in the way sooner than it gets robbed!!

SO AGAIN, a POS criminal being a POS criminal gets whatever comes his way because he's a POS criminal, not because he was treated unfairly!!!!


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did they run out of real cases and violent incidents to resolve?
Nope only solved 17% of murders last year.
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Many of the unsolved crimes though are driven by no one willing to talk to police.
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Many of the unsolved crimes though are driven by no one willing to talk to police.

That is a dirty lie.
The crimes are not solved because the racist, hateful, prejudice police refuse to arrest the real criminals,
those damn Eskimos are setting up the poor, innocent, hard working black people!!!
Everyone knows the blacks would never commit all these horrible crimes, it is definitely those damn Eskimo's!!!!

The really bad part is the black animals make it much harder for the hard working contributing members of society
from just living their life in peace!!!!
When I was in the military, the majority of blacks were hard working hero's
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Plenty of the blacks in the racing community are great guys that just want to work hard,
take care of their family & enjoy the sport they love.

It's the POS animals that never work a day in their life, and commit 100's if not 1000's of crimes in their life,
that earn blacks the horrible stereo type of being a POS criminal!!!!!


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The cops are addressing reports of thefts by the RR. Nothing wrong with that. They are working on real crimes. A bait truck is actually a clever method of nabbing thieves.

I can see the Nikes being a bit of a stereotype. Maybe put some generic, somewhat valuable goods in there instead.

The cops are outnumbered and prevented from doing their jobs as far as solving murders and other crimes. A Chicago minister recently asked for Trump to bring in troops to control the violence.

Think about that. A black leader actually thinks the situation has reached the point they need federal troops. His asking for Trump's help shows it's really bad in some neighborhoods.

Now is the time for Illinois REPS to capitalize on the problems the DEMS have brought to Illinois. You, most likely, need black/Hispanic candidates in many wards but there have to be people who agree with Trump who would be willing to run. REPS should spend some money and start flipping the State. Trump would support that. Wouldn't be easy, I know, but when I lived there the REP party was a joke that needs a lot of cash/improvement.
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That is a dirty lie.
The crimes are not solved because the racist, hateful, prejudice police refuse to arrest the real criminals,
those damn Eskimos are setting up the poor, innocent, hard working black people!!!
Everyone knows the blacks would never commit all these horrible crimes, it is definitely those damn Eskimo's!!!!

The really bad part is the black animals make it much harder for the hard working contributing members of society
from just living their life in peace!!!!
When I was in the military, the majority of blacks were hard working hero's
that just wanted to serve their country & earn their own way.
Plenty of the blacks in the racing community are great guys that just want to work hard,
take care of their family & enjoy the sport they love.

It's the POS animals that never work a day in their life, and commit 100's if not 1000's of crimes in their life,
that earn blacks the horrible stereo type of being a POS criminal!!!!!


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i know you're an old but jfc dude "black animals" ?? is there a way to use that phrase and not sound racist? doesn't that sound just a wee bit at least to you?
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This is exactly my problem with it as well. If caught breaking in to these trailers its a simple fucking theft. Most if not all will be out in a few hours on an I-Bond.
HUGE waste of CPD manpower that can be dedicated to bigger things
The better question to ask may not be why are we doing a bait truck but rather why the fuck are we letting people out on i-bonds constantly and what the actual sentences for crimes are. This includes a lot of other things including violent crimes. As bad as it sounds it's like my 6YO kid. If I let him do stuff without consequences, why will he stop? The short answer is he won't until there are consequences. It's better to have consequences on small shit than to wait until someone kills someone else.
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The thought of the cost of jailing these lifetime losers, only to release them as probably better criminals than when they were first jailed, bothers me.
It is expensive and bears no fruit.

Better idea to set up the trailer like a Victor mousetrap -
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It seems as if they had the charges dropped. For "the community" I'm sure. I don't know about you guys but I really don't want a bunch of felons running around my community.
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Now Norfolk Southern has issued an apology for taking part in this.

What a friggen joke!!
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