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Old 02-17-2017, 09:30 AM   #51
 
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I don't have to back up anything when you prove in your own posts that you have no argument.

"i had a high mileage car"

how many miles did it have

"150k"

it was more than ten years old jason.

"oh yeah, here's me saying that it had average miles"



why get any data when you prove it yourself?
150K is high mileage to me. A 12 year old car is old. I was simply pointing out that my old Civic with 150K miles was reliable.

@Nealoc187 had a Maxima with 300K and he did zero maintenance on it including extended oil changes (once went over 20K on an oil change). No issues-VQs are bullet proof. Is that high enough mileage for you?

You do know that theres a ton of third party research besides your opinion that states that care reliability have improved, as Sickmint pointed out.
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maybe before 2008 poi wasnt a big thing but afterwards for both my car and house I had to get a letter from my HR with what I make.
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150K is high mileage to me. A 12 year old car is old. I was simply pointing out that my old Civic with 150K miles was reliable.

@Nealoc187 had a Maxima with 300K and he did zero maintenance on it including extended oil changes (once went over 20K on an oil change). No issues-VQ’s are bullet proof. Is that high enough mileage for you?

You do know that there’s a ton of third party research besides your opinion that states that care reliability have improved, as Sickmint pointed out.
150k on something that old is hardly high mileage to me.

my 2013 pickup has 132k on it currently.

that's higher mileage to me.



wasn't that maxima older than years too.


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The mileage is high, just not for the year. I think two things are being argued here.
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wait just a minute here how in the fuck can people be behind on vehicle payments when you can finance new for what like 84 months?



Must be all them peoples on welfare driving around in new vehicles.

I dont know about elsewhere but a whole shit load of the somalians are driving brand new tahoes and cadillacs here where i live.

Some if not all of this i dont feel bad about when these people shouldnt have been loaned the money in the first place.

People go get 84 month loans and spend money like idiots for years. Warranty runs out and something goes wrong with the car. They didn't save any money, have a broken car, and a car payment.
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I don't know if it's me, but there seems to be a semi recent phenomena of everyone needing to own a brand new car. maybe over the last 5-6 years. It might be the age bracket of people in around. Financing themselves to death on a car that's as much as or close to their yearly salary. i don't get it.
I think part of this is that the used market got turned on its head by cash for clunkers in the day. A car that was pretty decent was more available than it used to be, it's getting back to where it was but it's still something that haunts the market.

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My Civic had 150K. High mileage? Ran like new. The only fault was the Honda cancer in the right rear fender well.
I drove mine to 188 before it got totaled by a tree in my driveway, and I would have driven it to 250+ without thinking about it. Had to drop a gear box in it though but the body was nice enough for me not to care. Even then 300kish out of that wouldn't surprise me at all with rot being the ultimate killer.

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shit, beyond that... GM trucks since 1994 have shitty aluminum crimps on stainless transmission oil cooler lines where they switch to rubber. they all leak eventually. if you dont fix it, boom goes the trans. my lower line just started leaking yesterday.

you literally can not just buy these at an auto parts stores for god knows what reason the dealers are the only ones to stock this part. other than online.. so I Primed it do my door for Saturday delivery. at least it will be nice this weekend.
I'll give you a hint on this because Astro vans were legendary for doing it; Take the hoses off, cut the crimp ends off and get the rubber hoses off. Take em to Napa, have em put on hydraulic hose instead; It's about the same price and lasts a lot better.

Overall I can do the basics on a car that will eat people's cash up (brakes are a biggie IMO.) Provided you don't get a disposable car (Kia etc.) You should be able to get a fuck ton of miles out of one if you're willing to do some basic repairs. I'll leave new car payments to some other fool, or at least let them eat the 25+% off the top for a new car.
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Overall I can do the basics on a car that will eat people's cash up (brakes are a biggie IMO.) Provided you don't get a disposable car (Kia etc.) You should be able to get a fuck ton of miles out of one if you're willing to do some basic repairs. I'll leave new car payments to some other fool, or at least let them eat the 25+% off the top for a new car.
I don't mind payments tied to a car that's new and nice enough that 'I don't have to worry about it', but my past 3 new car purchases I got them for 15% or more under MSRP, so we left the lot more or less not upside down.

My current mustang I'm still about even on unfortunately (Had hoped to be more right side up on it by now), and our new cooper we got ~15% off on, plus the positive equity on trade, so we are already even or better on that one.

I don't mind paying for the piece of mind; however I can afford it, while many in the demographic for the chart obviously could not...
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Is it just me or is 1.44% still an incredibly low delinquency rate. Sure it "increased 13.4%", but that wording is deceiving because a 13.4% jump is really only an increase of <0.2% delinquency. I can't imagine the auto loan market wouldn't be able to sustain that.

I agree with sickmint, IMO this is hardly a predictor of tough times ahead. For reference in 2007 mortgage delinquency was at around 6%, and at that time that was a $13 trillion market.

That being said, it boggles my mind how people afford the vehicles they purchase. $50-65k SUV's seem like they're the norm, which is crazy to me.
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How you guys turned this in to a "general maintenance issues for vehicles nobody cares about" thread is beyond me. Lol
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my 16 year old bmw has more trinkets and doo-dads than i know what to do with.

power headrest. WHY NOT.

built in rechargeable flash light in the glovebox SURE


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I heard @Bru say that the market is expecting the floor to fall out sometime in the future.... maybe the OP is what he was referring to?
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That's because you have no facts to back you up. There's plenty of data on reliability out there.
those are alternative facts !
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I heard @Bru say that the market is expecting the floor to fall out sometime in the future.... maybe the OP is what he was referring to?
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I mean most average non car people sell cars after about 4-5 years as that is when they need too many "repairs".

Shocks/struts/brakes with people who don't know how to pick a mechanic. Get reamed for 3-4 grand and decide it is "cheaper" to buy a newer car. I have people I know who still take their 6 year old honda to the dealership because they just don't know any better.
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Based on this graph almost every December/January these numbers spike. Every March they plummet. Is everyone using tax refund money to get paid up on car payments?
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I mean most average non car people sell cars after about 4-5 years as that is when they need too many "repairs".

Shocks/struts/brakes with people who don't know how to pick a mechanic. Get reamed for 3-4 grand and decide it is "cheaper" to buy a newer car. I have people I know who still take their 6 year old honda to the dealership because they just don't know any better.
We did exactly this for our Cooper, but that's because we ARE car people, and knew the maintenance and repairs that were in the pipe that we didn't want to deal with.

But yes, most people have an incorrect perception of this, but most loans stretch out past the end of the warranties on new cars, which is really what can spook or screw a person.
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Well not all of us buy cars that require insane repair costs

Riding this mazda3 until it dies. So far the only repair was a possibility of a faulty rear hatch strut as a recall item. At least 6 more years to go on it. Will probably need a clutch if I keep on tracking it but that is hardly normal wear and tear.
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I think part of this is that the used market got turned on its head by cash for clunkers in the day.
That program still pisses me right the fuck off.
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This just in.......sky is blue, some people don't pay their bills, Jason is always right, cars need maintenance as they get older, and people are stupid.
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wait just a minute here how in the fuck can people be behind on vehicle payments when you can finance new for what like 84 months?



Must be all them peoples on welfare driving around in new vehicles.

I dont know about elsewhere but a whole shit load of the somalians are driving brand new tahoes and cadillacs here where i live.

Some if not all of this i dont feel bad about when these people shouldnt have been loaned the money in the first place.

Affordability. For me what I will spend on a new daily driver vehicle is no more than 4 months salary. Affordable means different things to different people.
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I heard @Bru say that the market is expecting the floor to fall out sometime in the future.... maybe the OP is what he was referring to?
Part of this is the way we get around is changing; They say typical car utilization is at 5% and is expected to climb closer to 80% due to ride sharing services like Uber and Lyft. With this people will own progressively fewer and fewer cars as the job of transportation gets outsourced. Self Driving cars also play a role over time I'm sure. We've already had our first autonomously driven truck deliver goods on a regular route so why is it that far off.

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Shocks/struts/brakes with people who don't know how to pick a mechanic. Get reamed for 3-4 grand and decide it is "cheaper" to buy a newer car. I have people I know who still take their 6 year old honda to the dealership because they just don't know any better.
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How you guys turned this in to a "general maintenance issues for vehicles nobody cares about" thread is beyond me. Lol
The last two posts pretty well go together; Maintenance costs are a powerful compelling event to get people to buy a new car especially if they can't or don't fix anything themselves. It used to be a lot more people did mechanics work on their own at least the basics IMO. Now then a lot of people are on the "upgrade cycle" for cars. I wonder if all the electronic shit cars have play into it as well. "I want the latest infotainment system" instead of "I want to get to and from work and school."
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This is the next bubble following the housing market. Getting ready for a flood of newish cars and used price adjustments. This was inevitable when 72-96 month loans became the norm. You are upside down by year 2 and out of warranty shortly after in some cases

Maybe i'll take advantage and buy a slightly used again, but at this point I'm keeping my 10+ year old car with mid-00 tech until the wheels fall off.
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This is the next bubble following the housing market. Getting ready for a flood of newish cars and used price adjustments. This was inevitable when 72-96 month loans became the norm. You are upside down by year 2 and out of warranty shortly after in some cases

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Did you even read the thread, or my post earlier that directly compared this to the housing market in 2007. How can it possibly be a bubble at only a 1.4% delinquency rate
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150k on something that old is hardly high mileage to me.

my 2013 pickup has 132k on it currently.

that's higher mileage to me.



wasn't that maxima older than years too.


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Mileage is very subjective.

All I am saying is that your comment about planned obsolescence is wrong and as our resident data/polling guy stated, the data is out there to show that car longevity has increased. The car mfg's spend a ton of money testing for reliability, NVH, etc. which they could spend a lot less on and increase profitability if your theory was correct.

You should probably trade in your truck soon as it's going to implode at that mileage. The average driver drives around 13,000 miles yearly x 10 years = 130K implosion.

I think where you can make a strong point with planned obsolescence in cars is technology. Every few years, cars are adding major updates to technology (and safety). 5 years ago most cars had Bluetooth, now pretty much every car has an infotainment system.

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Mileage is very subjective.

All I am saying is that your comment about planned obsolescence is wrong and as our resident data/polling guy stated, the data is out there to show that car longevity has increased. The car mfg's spend a ton of money testing for reliability, NVH, etc. which they could spend a lot less on and increase profitability if your theory was correct.

You should probably trade in your truck soon as it's going to implode at that mileage. The average driver drives around 13,000 miles yearly x 10 years = 130K implosion.

I think where you can make a strong point with planned obsolescence in cars is technology. Every few years, cars are adding major updates to technology (and safety). 5 years ago most cars had Bluetooth, now pretty much every car has an infotainment system.

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