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Old 01-12-2018, 11:25 AM   #10076
 
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Trump doesn't care. I'd bet the vast majority of his base fully agrees with him.

Haiti and Africa are shitholes, he's not lying. I can see people's argument that it is insensitive, but I don't get the racist thing. I did see someone on by FB feed posting how it is "blatantly racist" and that Trump picked Haiti, Africa, and Norway as his examples to insinuate that he doesn't want blacks, but wants whites instead.
Then there's me thinking he picked Norway simply because their Prime Minister was in his office and it was likely on his mind.
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Before President Trump signed a proclamation honoring Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. earlier today, he spoke to his nephew, Issac Newton Farris Jr., privately, telling him, "I'm not the person that the media is making me out to be."

Farris told CNN that the President is not a racist, but is "racially ignorant."

“I don’t think Present Trump is a racist in the traditional sense as we know in this country," Farris said. "I think President Trump is racially ignorant and racially uniformed. But I don’t think he is a racist in the traditional sense.”

Farris said he did not think that the President should be going around and saying things like “shithole countries” and said that when he first heard the news he thought Trump had misspoke.

He added that if his uncle were alive today, he believes he would say that Trump should not refer to African countries like that.
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They're going crazy over the shithole countries thing....

Jack Tapper clarified it on twitter mentioning President Trump didn't refer to Haiti as a shithole, but said we don't need more Haitians here and the shithole countries were the African countries.
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They're going crazy over the shithole countries thing....

Jack Tapper clarified it on twitter mentioning President Trump didn't refer to Haiti as a shithole, but said we don't need more Haitians here and the shithole countries were the African countries.
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Didn't her foundation basically steal a ton of money from Haiti though?
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Didn't her foundation basically steal a ton of money from Haiti though?
Is that tweet for real? You'd think she'd pick her battles better...


...oh wait no you wouldn't.
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Is that tweet for real? You'd think she'd pick her battles better...


...oh wait no you wouldn't.
It's 100% for real...
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Guys...not only did her foundation steal a bunch of money from Haiti...Hillary's state department suppressed Haiti's minimum wage. Oh yeah...she cares so dearly for them!

WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would Stay Cheap - Business Insider

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This infuriated American corporations like Hanes and Levi Strauss that pay Haitians slave wages to sew their clothes. They said they would only fork over a seven-cent-an-hour increase, and they got the State Department involved. The U.S. ambassador put pressure on Haiti’s president, who duly carved out a $3 a day minimum wage for textile companies (the U.S. minimum wage, which itself is very low, works out to $58 a day).

Haiti has about 25,000 garment workers. If you paid each of them $2 a day more, it would cost their employers $50,000 per working day, or about $12.5 million a year ... As of last year Hanes had 3,200 Haitians making t-shirts for it. Paying each of them two bucks a day more would cost it about $1.6 million a year. Hanesbrands Incorporated made $211 million on $4.3 billion in sales last year.

Thanks to U.S. intervention, the minimum was raised only to 31 cents.
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unfucking real Hillary, go wipe your tears with those embezzled Haiti relief funds.
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Before President Trump signed a proclamation honoring Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. earlier today, he spoke to his nephew, Issac Newton Farris Jr., privately, telling him, "I'm not the person that the media is making me out to be."

Farris told CNN that the President is not a racist, but is "racially ignorant."

“I don’t think Present Trump is a racist in the traditional sense as we know in this country," Farris said. "I think President Trump is racially ignorant and racially uniformed. But I don’t think he is a racist in the traditional sense.”

Farris said he did not think that the President should be going around and saying things like “shithole countries” and said that when he first heard the news he thought Trump had misspoke.

He added that if his uncle were alive today, he believes he would say that Trump should not refer to African countries like that.
I would tend to agree. Politics aside, based on almost every public facing observable trait, Donald Trump isn't a very intelligent person in the traditional sense. I would go so far as to say he's proudly ignorant in the sense that he's convinced himself that he's not and since he's so successful,well he must be right!

But people like to see this as black and white and I tend to think it's a bit more nuanced than that. I don't think he's actually overtly racist. We're not dealing with David Duke here. I think he's just uninformed and by virtue of his success, he has no desire to actually become informed because he's not aware that he's uninformed. He doesn't know what he doesn't know. I'm not sure if that makes it better for those potentially affected but it's also a little silly to call this guy the second coming of Hitler. Hitler was much smarter.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-l...nce-1515787678

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I would tend to agree. Politics aside, based on almost every public facing observable trait, Donald Trump isn't a very intelligent person in the traditional sense. I would go so far as to say he's proudly ignorant in the sense that he's convinced himself that he's not and since he's so successful,well he must be right!

But people like to see this as black and white and I tend to think it's a bit more nuanced than that. I don't think he's actually overtly racist. We're not dealing with David Duke here. I think he's just uninformed and by virtue of his success, he has no desire to actually become informed because he's not aware that he's uninformed. He doesn't know what he doesn't know. I'm not sure if that makes it better for those potentially affected but it's also a little silly to call this guy the second coming of Hitler. Hitler was much smarter.
I hear many "elitist" types say these kinds of things, and its not surprising at all, considering how "elitist" many people have become in this country over the last decade or so.

But what I don't get (maybe I'm unintelligent), is how people continue to say "Donald Trump is not intelligent" or "Donald Trump is not a smart person" or insert whatever "I'm better than you insult" here.

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Donald Trump has made himself one of the richest men in the world, and undoubtedly one of the most powerful and influential persons in the world. For some odd reason, elitists tend to say he is "unintelligent" because he isn't smooth talking like Obama, or other lunatics running universities, but based on the definition that Google provided, I don't get how someone could honestly say he is "not intelligent" without have some odd high horse elitist self view...
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Didn't even think of this....



So now will they say "we have to allow them to stay because their countries are beautiful!" ???
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Didn't even think of this....



So now will they say "we have to allow them to stay because their countries are beautiful!" ???
There is some irony and even perhaps truth to this. "The country is fine." "Then why do they need to send refugees over. Let em stay in their great nation."

I would classify Trump as intelligent, but overall lacking in certain sets of social capabilities. Either that or he's more intelligent than I'm giving him credit for and is grossly manipulative.

Regardless, the majority of presidents we have ever seen if not all of them were deeply flawed men ultimately. It's just more obvious than it typically is. That is one of the reasons we historically have strived for separation of powers.

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Lets take the closing remark from this NYT article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/w...imes&smtyp=cur

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“Trump is a troll,” she said. “He is trolling the world. Don’t feed the troll.”
Maybe he's playing the maga 12D chess or something. If he is that's part of the brilliance of it. It's like the buffoonery of GWB taken to another level.
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It amazes me how the DEMs and MSM buried the important issue of them refusing to work with REPs on a bi partisan bill and, instead, spent the day calling Trump a racist. Watch the 54 min video I posted on the White House meeting between Trump, DEMs and REPs where all three sides agreed to work together to fix DACA and border security. That agreement lasted about the time it takes to turn off a camera. Never saw such 2 faced behavior starting with Dick Durbin. At least Feinstein, who I detest, said what she thought rather than smiling and agreeing and then turning completely around once the meeting was over.

Here's the video again.

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I would tend to agree. Politics aside, based on almost every public facing observable trait, Donald Trump isn't a very intelligent person in the traditional sense. I would go so far as to say he's proudly ignorant in the sense that he's convinced himself that he's not and since he's so successful,well he must be right!

But people like to see this as black and white and I tend to think it's a bit more nuanced than that. I don't think he's actually overtly racist. We're not dealing with David Duke here. I think he's just uninformed and by virtue of his success, he has no desire to actually become informed because he's not aware that he's uninformed. He doesn't know what he doesn't know. I'm not sure if that makes it better for those potentially affected but it's also a little silly to call this guy the second coming of Hitler. Hitler was much smarter.
Yep, Hitler was so much smarter that he created a world war, got millions of his own people killed on top of killing millions of others, and ultimately killed himself after being cornered in a bunker. Yep, definitely smarter.

Stupid Trump with his ivy league degree, billions of dollars, dozens of companies he's created, and tens of thousands of employees that produce things and help people. What an idiot.
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Hitler invaded the Soviet Union despite a non aggression treaty. That dumb move turned his battle into two fronts and cost him the war.
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Hitler invaded the Soviet Union despite a non aggression treaty. That dumb move turned his battle into two fronts and cost him the war.
He broke deals with every country he had an alliance with, Italy being the second biggest.

Hitler was an arrogant jagoff, more like Obama than like Trump.
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Thats the thing. Is ridiculous as it is, there is millions and millions of people on the left out there that deep down, have actually been sold on the fact that someone like Hitler is "smarter" than Trump.

Its insanity!
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I hear many "elitist" types say these kinds of things, and its not surprising at all, considering how "elitist" many people have become in this country over the last decade or so.

But what I don't get (maybe I'm unintelligent), is how people continue to say "Donald Trump is not intelligent" or "Donald Trump is not a smart person" or insert whatever "I'm better than you insult" here.

Per Google (a reliable liberal source);

Donald Trump has made himself one of the richest men in the world, and undoubtedly one of the most powerful and influential persons in the world. For some odd reason, elitists tend to say he is "unintelligent" because he isn't smooth talking like Obama, or other lunatics running universities, but based on the definition that Google provided, I don't get how someone could honestly say he is "not intelligent" without have some odd high horse elitist self view...
I don't think it's elitist to say that Donald Trump, as he presents himself, is not an intelligent person and I think saying that any criticism of Trump's intelligence or mental stability makes someone an elitist is disingenuous. We live in a world where stupid people are able to make absurd amounts of money. Look at the Kardashians. Are they successful? Yes. Have they learned to monetize their audience? Absolutely. Would you say they're intelligent? Would you say they present themselves as intelligent people? No. Almost nobody would say that. So I think there's a degree of separation between the two.

Likewise, it's tough to quantify someone's success when they were born into money and always had the benefits of it, and when they personally didn't have the benefits, they then had a name and a brand to fall back on to get back into the game. I think Donald Trump is good at a few specific things but that doesn't an intelligent person make. Go back before Donald Trump was the Republican president. Before he was this polarized figure. He was almost unanimously panned as an unintelligent narcissist.

But we won't agree on this I'm sure. All I'm saying is that in my 36 years of life, I've never stumbled upon someone that speaks or acts like him and then later been pleasantly surprised by their intelligence level. It's happened never.
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Yep, Hitler was so much smarter that he created a world war, got millions of his own people killed on top of killing millions of others, and ultimately killed himself after being cornered in a bunker. Yep, definitely smarter.

Stupid Trump with his ivy league degree, billions of dollars, dozens of companies he's created, and tens of thousands of employees that produce things and help people. What an idiot.
All your Trump exaggerations aside, Hitler was a smart person. He wasn't a good person but he was a smart person.
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Although not subtle, it is true. America was never really about the huddled masses, they wanted the best, brightest and wealthiest. It's one of the things that actually does make America great; We brain drain other countries instead of the smart people being there and actually improving their country's situation. Think about what would have happened to us if our founding fathers said "fuck the US, we're going to blah country."
i wouldn't argue that is the case at all, rather that the expectation was that we create the best environment, and as a result of that, individuals and the whole will all do well here. the opposite is true as well, have a shit environment, and the brightest people are all held back. and our history is full of accepting people outside brain drains of countries, with the spirit inscribed on the statue of liberty as well. a health advanced economy actually needs to immigrate low skilled labor in.

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110% agree. Why allocate all these resources to people who will (probably) be a drain on our economy while I know doctorate students who want to stay here that are having a hard time getting permanent citizenship...
i'm sure you've heard the term 'hungry immigrant' in regards to business ethic, and you'll find a ton of businesses started/grown/led by immigrants or their immediate kids. they are hugely more entrepreneurial than citizens. some info:

In the U.S., immigrants are almost twice as likely to become entrepreneurs as native-born U.S. citizens. Immigrants represent 27.5% of the countries’ entrepreneurs but only around 13% of the population. Similarly, about one-fourth of all technology and engineering companies started in the U.S. between 2006 and 2012 had at least one immigrant cofounder.

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So, I have a stupid question. This may be better off for people like Sickmint, but can you think of a country in Africa off the top of your head that is actually legitly first world and not world 2.5-3 or even less? The truth is there is not a single OECD country on the entire continent.

The other truth is that some great people can come from those countries. That said, let them stand on the merit of integrating with our society and providing value to it, not a lottery.
south africa is the wealthiest although doesn't have the highest gdp per capita. it's the place you'd most want to live though, but depending where, still has things like power blackouts. which i think most blame more on poor government management than anything else.

it doesn't necessarily help africa that all this aid comes in either, ie. bad leaders get to control and disperse it out, it can be argued it has helped keep them in power. africa doesn't need you to buy a pair of shoes and then have one donated to them - that put's their cobbler out of business. they'd be better off if you bought a pair of shoes and that company put money into some charity that paid locals there to buy shoes, etc. they've had a lot of this 'help' for a long time.

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I hear many "elitist" types say these kinds of things, and its not surprising at all, considering how "elitist" many people have become in this country over the last decade or so.

But what I don't get (maybe I'm unintelligent), is how people continue to say "Donald Trump is not intelligent" or "Donald Trump is not a smart person" or insert whatever "I'm better than you insult" here.

Per Google (a reliable liberal source);

Donald Trump has made himself one of the richest men in the world, and undoubtedly one of the most powerful and influential persons in the world. For some odd reason, elitists tend to say he is "unintelligent" because he isn't smooth talking like Obama, or other lunatics running universities, but based on the definition that Google provided, I don't get how someone could honestly say he is "not intelligent" without have some odd high horse elitist self view...
being wealthy doesn't mean you are intelligent, you could have just been lucky, or had good people around you keeping your stupid hamfists at bay, etc etc. just like people cluelessly think rich donald = good at business = good at economics. the guy has a ton of horrible business failures, and a ton of shitty ethics, you just turn a blind eye to them. as i have pointed out repeatedly, he completely missed the housing bubble - a monstrously giant problem in his own industry. if trump is an evil genius at anything, i think it is PR and getting suckers to chant for him and believe in him. he says clearly ridiculous things all the time. he does not appear to be an intellectually curious person either. he just stumbles around, blathers stuff out, and handlers try to keep him bumping forward down the lane. you don't need to be an academic elitist to see the greatest thing about trump's mind is how it can contain such a large ego.

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Yep, Hitler was so much smarter that he created a world war, got millions of his own people killed on top of killing millions of others, and ultimately killed himself after being cornered in a bunker. Yep, definitely smarter.

Stupid Trump with his ivy league degree, billions of dollars, dozens of companies he's created, and tens of thousands of employees that produce things and help people. What an idiot.
you're arguing that hitler was a bad guy - that doesn't mean he was stupid. nor does trump's success mean he is brilliant. i'd bet money hitler was more intelligent. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...illerson-moron
i sure would have loved to see the actual results of this.

people have debated about hitler's intelligence for a long time. it is generally thought to be quite high. you'll find this with even casual research.
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you're arguing that hitler was a bad guy - that doesn't mean he was stupid. nor does trump's success mean he is brilliant. i'd bet money hitler was more intelligent. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...illerson-moron
i sure would have loved to see the actual results of this.

people have debated about hitler's intelligence for a long time. it is generally thought to be quite high. you'll find this with even casual research.
Smart people don't start world wars and make enemies with almost every developed country on the planet. Smart people don't get millions of their own countrymen killed. Smart people don't shoot themselves in the head.

Hitler was a fucking moron who had exceptional speaking and motivational skills. He could of been the worlds best salesman. Obama has a hell of a lot more in common with Hitler than Trump does.
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