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Old 10-06-2016, 02:41 PM   #1
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so, i used to bleed brakes a lot, like before every track day and sometimes halfway through them. one of the amazeballs things about the brz though is i just do it once and go. in any case, i always bugged a buddy who helped, who also did most of the work. i needed to bleed them after replacing a dust boot and popping a piston out though, so i got a bleeder to help and set up doing the simple one man no cleanup "dry" method, which works great. although is not the cheapest.



it's basically just a standard nice motive bleeder, with some more hose attached and some valves. this way fluid can simply be added to the reservoir so the bleeder doesn't need to be cleaned. you don't need to keep pumping it up either since the pressure is contained.

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aside from the ping pong table in the dining room and dirtbike in the living room, you may also notice the industrial grade air compressor in the garage and conclude i'm a moron and could have done something similar with like $10 in parts. which is true, but this gave me a little project and article to write, plus i can take this anywhere.

also, my first how to video. hopefully no mistakes, i actually rendered it and did not even watch the final product.
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I do like the hose extension so your not having to pump in or around the engine bay, but would still find myself on the ladder adding fluid for a full flush.
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My old boss had a glug bottle made from an old turkey baster you just inserted it into the reservoir and when the fluid got low enough it would glug in a bit more...
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When I flushed my entire system I did not have to pump the unit much at all.

I am a little bit confused though, so you are filling the MC when it is close to running out of fluid vs. just having the fluid in the bleeder? I am not trying to be a dick, but outside of the not having to clean the bleeder, what are the advantages of doing it this way?
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I think my issue was just a false sense of something weird happening and pushing air into the system, I like seeing the fluid forced down with the 12 psi of air. So definitely the cleanliness and not a drop was spilled up top or at the bleeder bolts.
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There is really no reason to clean the actual bleeder unit as only new fluid sits inside if you are consistently/frequently flushing with the same fluid.
Also if you are using a old fluid catch reservoir, no mess should be at the bleeders on the caliper.

If you did want to clean the unit it probably take all of 5 minutes to dump the unused new fluid from the reservoir into your old fluid disposal container and then take a few shop towels to wipe off the inside of the bleeder.
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There is really no reason to clean the actual bleeder unit as only new fluid sits inside, especially if you are consistently flushing with the same fluid.
Also if you are using a old fluid catch reservoir, no mess should be at the bleeders on the caliper.

If you did want to clean the unit it probably take all of 5 minutes to dump the unused new fluid from the reservoir into your old fluid disposal container and then take a few shop towels to wipe off the inside of the bleeder.
I cleaned yours when i used it. There was some blue gunk at the bottom and in the black piece. Dunno what it was though
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When I flushed my entire system I did not have to pump the unit much at all.

I am a little bit confused though, so you are filling the MC when it is close to running out of fluid vs. just having the fluid in the bleeder? I am not trying to be a dick, but outside of the not having to clean the bleeder, what are the advantages of doing it this way?
I lost 1-2 psi each corner so i just gave it a few pumps inbetween
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When I flushed my entire system I did not have to pump the unit much at all.

I am a little bit confused though, so you are filling the MC when it is close to running out of fluid vs. just having the fluid in the bleeder? I am not trying to be a dick, but outside of the not having to clean the bleeder, what are the advantages of doing it this way?
so this is really a wet vs. dry method question. when you do clean it's youre supposed to use denatured alcohol. the main advantage of this one is really that it's just easy clean up, and you keep the fluid in your bottle too. which most of the time i'd avoid using again anyway, although this time i used the one i opened in the spring.

then the advantage to the valves for the dry method is just not having to pump up air pressure again.
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once brake fluid is opened and exposed to air, it should be used asap because moisture contamination is my understanding, ironically I actually confirmed this with Justin last night as I got rid of the 1/10 remaining SRF I had after flushing clutch/brakes awhile back.
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I cleaned yours when i used it. There was some blue gunk at the bottom and in the black piece. Dunno what it was though
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I lost 1-2 psi each corner so i just gave it a few pumps inbetween
Maybe you are just dirty.

Honestly cleaning it is not a big deal, at least not enough to warrant creating a setup like this (unless I am missing some other benefit). Like I said it would not take long.

In my opinion it seems that there is more risk running the MC too low or spilling brake fluid in the engine bay trying to pour it into the MC and/or just as much time wasted trying to refill the MC with more fluid.
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Maybe you are just dirty.

Honestly cleaning it is not a big deal, at least not enough to warrant creating a setup like this (unless I am missing some other benefit). Like I said it would not take long.

In my opinion it seems that there is more risk running the MC too low or spilling brake fluid in the engine bay trying to pour it into the MC and/or just as much time wasted trying to refill the MC with more fluid.
Yeah probably took me 2 mins to clean it lol
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once brake fluid is opened it and exposed to air, it should be used asap because moisture contamination is my understanding, ironically I actually confirmed this with Justin last night as I got rid of the 1/10 remaining SRF I had after flushing clutch/brakes awhile back.
ASAP is a relative term, if you are flushing your system once a month for track days opened brake fluid is not going to be an issue. If you flush your system only once per year, it would be wise to just get new fluid.
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yeah i plan on doing it again in the spring and doing 0-2 more track days this year. plus with how high the fluid can handle vs. temps i've seen myself getting to, i figured even if it has absorbed some moisture, that it's more than capable enough of getting me through the rest of the year. still doing some other work though, i'll bed them probably tomorrow or the next day. we'll see if i make my own post about losing my brakes at 140
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I actually wonder how often I should be flushing the SRF even if there are 2-4 track days per year, I was surprised to actually see DOT3 on the MC but probably because of the lower temps on the components.

I have a feeling I won't even reach 30% of the dry boiling point so in all reality the SRF would probably hold up a long time, I guess no real harm in flushing once a year though.

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I'm semi interested on ABCC monday, the vented hood insert came but not painted, doesn't seem realistic to try and install it, then remove it again to be painted.
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i think good to do at the start of the season and if you can get away with it all season - great. i imagine the cooling capacity of your rotors and caliper are quite high! i might last min sign up for laps
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