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Old 02-23-2018, 01:24 PM   #776
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The government has absolutely NO business knowing what guns you own and has NO business licensing gun ownership. Absolutely fuck NO.

Want to protect the kids, secure the schools, get them off of meds, get better at parenting and provide counseling when necessary.

Government needs to keep their hands OFF our guns. Taking away rights is not the answer.

No nationwide FOID cards which turns a RIGHT into a government regulated and taxed privilege controlled by politicians and bureaucrats.
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You want compromise?

Implement Nationwide IL's FOID, including cool off periods. Increase the purchase age for firearms to 21 if you really must.

But guess what? Criminals will still criminal. LAWS MEAN NOTHING TO THEM. They will acquire the tools to see their evil deeds done.

The best means of protection is a multi-level approach. Laws and effective means of defending schools and students from maniacs who don't give a single fuck about all the new laws you'd like to enact.

How hard is this to comprehend?
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I don't have kids and wouldn't mind them using tax dollars on securing schools... I don't know how much taxes would go up for that but I can't imagine it would be THAT much?
Most schools ALREADY have armed police on-site. Streamwood did when I was there. Even this school shooting had an on duty officer. That didn't deter the shooter. He ( the cop) didn't even enter the school.
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We had a police officer at Wheaton North as well. Although I am not sure 1 armed person protecting ~2,500 students + staff is the ratio you are looking for.
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Most schools ALREADY have armed police on-site. Streamwood did when I was there. Even this school shooting had an on duty officer. That didn't deter the shooter. He ( the cop) didn't even enter the school.
As it did when I was there. Doesnt stop my point from being true, I'd be fine with them adding more to the schools, because just like @bmoore04 mentions, one person over a sprawling school is far from a good ratio...

On top of the fact this guy didnt do his damn job either.
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The government has absolutely NO business knowing what guns you own and has NO business licensing gun ownership. Absolutely fuck NO.

Want to protect the kids, secure the schools, get them off of meds, get better at parenting and provide counseling when necessary.

Government needs to keep their hands OFF our guns. Taking away rights is not the answer.

No nationwide FOID cards which turns a RIGHT into a government regulated and taxed privilege controlled by politicians and bureaucrats.
Again, fellow students have responsibilities too:

*Treat one another with dignity respect
*Befriend loners
*Report concerning behaviors to an adult
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how so, like how the IL CC went into affect. you go to an approved class, take a test, submit your forms. GOVT wouldnt really need to do anything besided put a guide line togther.
If there is a desire to have a shooting tested every 4 years then range locations and accommodating handgun, rifle and shotgun would need to be addressed.

Not all gun owners use a handgun.
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Go ahead and raise the age to 21. I really donít think that would solve anything. But Iím no opposed to it.

Go ahead and make a testing procedure too. Iím not opposed to that. Show me someone can use a firearm or studied firearms in some capacity.

My response on Instagram to the raise the age debate. No retyping it.

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Go ahead and raise the age to 21. I really donít think that would solve anything. But Iím no opposed to it.

Go ahead and make a testing procedure too. Iím not opposed to that. Show me someone can use a firearm or studied firearms in some capacity.

My response on Instagram to the raise the age debate. No retyping it.

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I wonder if any of the people he hashtagged could have charges brought or somehow say he was threatening their lives? Those were the guys he said bullied him arent they?
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I wonder if any of the people he hashtagged could have charges brought or somehow say he was threatening their lives? Those were the guys he said bullied him arent they?
But the people that bullied him would be long gone, right?

And he's the same player that was embroiled in the hazing/bullying incident in Miami a few years ago. Claimed Richie Incognito (a known asshole regardless) was hazing, bullying, and calling him derogatory and racist names.
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Man that is messed up, and right after he shoots Richie Incognito, I really think we need to take his guns away from him.
I laughed more than I should have
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But the people that bullied him would be long gone, right?

And he's the same player that was embroiled in the hazing/bullying incident in Miami a few years ago. Claimed Richie Incognito (a known asshole regardless) was hazing, bullying, and calling him derogatory and racist names.
That's what I said... I wonder if those guys could have charges brought up on him saying he was making a threat towards their lives? Bare minimum a restraining order....
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That's what I said... I wonder if those guys could have charges brought up on him saying he was making a threat towards their lives? Bare minimum a restraining order....
I mean, I'm sure the police are going to throw the book at him regardless, with everything else going on.
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If there is a desire to have a shooting tested every 4 years then range locations and accommodating handgun, rifle and shotgun would need to be addressed.

Not all gun owners use a handgun.
Then it is the gun owners responsibility to find a range to take the appropriate test. Or ranges thgerm selves update to accommodate more customers.
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Then it is the gun owners responsibility to find a range to take the appropriate test. Or ranges thgerm selves update to accommodate more customers.
Lets see how well this goes when we substitute "speech" or "voting" for "guns." Doesn't seem big government or totalitarian to me at all........

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Go ahead and raise the age to 21. I really donít think that would solve anything. But Iím no opposed to it.

Go ahead and make a testing procedure too. Iím not opposed to that. Show me someone can use a firearm or studied firearms in some capacity.

My response on Instagram to the raise the age debate. No retyping it.

Although there are some specific examples given, I think that a lot of this stuff transverses generations as a generality. That said, I think there's a fuck ton more of it we see now due to the power of having lives where you can't escape from Youtube. I mean I'm sure NO ONE here did incredibly stupid shit when they were kids. Lets also not forget that some of this shit is really old hat, like the "desensitized to violence" thing. I mean, what about Doom, Maralyn Manson and Basketball Diaries. Don't forget the ones you hear about are the vocal (stupid) minority. There are plenty of people in that age group that are doing fine, and will go on to do great things for America.
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they're also a smarter nation as a whole so.

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Then it is the gun owners responsibility to find a range to take the appropriate test. Or ranges thgerm selves update to accommodate more customers.
Why is it the private rangeís responsibility to accommodate?
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Not sure if this is true or conjecture. It will be interesting to see if it falls out. The reason I am giving it consideration is Trayvon Martin's B&E was covered up in a similar way to improve numbers. It will be interesting to see if evidence works its way out, but it would explain a lot about why they could go to his house as many times as they did with no arrest.
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Lets see how well this goes when we substitute "speech" or "voting" for "guns." Doesn't seem big government or totalitarian to me at all........
what?

Let me put it this way. If the state of IL says, from now on, if you want to buy a rifle you need to take this rifle class, and pass. class consists of x hours classroom, and be able to pass a shooting test. (kinda like CC).

When IL CC was put into effect was it the governments duty to go into all the ranges and make sure they had the correct targets. NO, it was the ranges that wanted to meet the demands of the customers and offer CC classes, to get the correct targets, hold the classes, ect.

this would be like that. The ranges that want to meet the demands of the customers to be able to submit a rifle ownership test need to be equipped to do so.
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Why is it the private rangeís responsibility to accommodate?
it was with CC, why not anything else.
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what?

Let me put it this way. If the state of IL says, from now on, if you want to buy a rifle you need to take this rifle class, and pass. class consists of x hours classroom, and be able to pass a shooting test. (kinda like CC).

When IL CC was put into effect was it the governments duty to go into all the ranges and make sure they had the correct targets. NO, it was the ranges that wanted to meet the demands of the customers and offer CC classes, to get the correct targets, hold the classes, ect.

this would be like that. The ranges that want to meet the demands of the customers to be able to submit a rifle ownership test need to be equipped to do so.
Well, democracy is dangerous you never know when idiots will elect in some fascist who will want to take over the country. Besides that, I've heard Muslims and mosques are hot beds for suicide bombers while Christians who are crazy like to bomb abortion clinics. We need to have testing to be sure that people can vote responsibly and intelligently, and that we're not creating fanatics when people attend religious ceremonies. You also never know when someone may say something that's fake news, so they need a test before they can exact that right too. I mean, we wouldn't want someone ignorantly perpetuating fake news.
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