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Old 01-11-2017, 01:38 AM   #1
 
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In my honest opinion, unless your girl shoots a lot, would be the S&W airweight 38 spl +P. It is hammerless, light weight and has a hell of a punch. More so than the 9mm or .380 and is a cheaper/more common round. It does have an internal safety lock for storage but other than that, it's just point and shoot. Which I believe is critical in close encounters that a female may encounter. It takes all the guess work out of them defending themselves. I personally load a first round of snake shot and is backed by a talon type round if the first one don't get the point across.

What do your girls carry?
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I don't know what snake shot is but load your gun to kill someone not injure them, the would be robber or whatever's attorney will bankrupt you in court if you shoot them with some odd ball round, or they will keep coming and kill you in the process
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S&W airweight 38 spl +P. It is hammerless, light weight and has a hell of a punch. More so than the 9mm or .380 and is a cheaper/more common round.
All three rounds listed in order of least powerful to most powerful:

Std pressure:
.380 - 95 gr FMJ - 980 ft/s - 203 ft·lbf
.38 SP - 110 gr FMJ - 980 ft/s - 235 ft·lbf
9MM - 115 gr FMJ - 1,300 ft/s - 418 ft·lbf

Yes, a +P round in .38 will be more powerful, but don't forget 9mm comes in +P as well.
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All three rounds listed in order of least powerful to most powerful:

Std pressure:
.380 - 95 gr FMJ - 980 ft/s - 203 ft·lbf
.38 SP - 110 gr FMJ - 980 ft/s - 235 ft·lbf
9MM - 115 gr JHP - 1,300 ft/s - 418 ft·lbf

Yes, a +P round in .38 will be more powerful, but don't forget 9mm comes in +P as well.
Comparing pressure FMJ to JHP is like comparing apples to oranges. Have you ever shot at a piece of 1/4" sheet metal with each round with the same jacket/projectile? I have and from most powerful to least powerful the 38 leaves a bigger dent and almost penetrates, then 9mm then .380.
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loading first round with snake shot (i had to google what that even was) seems dumb, IMO.
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Subtle "stopping power" thread. Google that term, view the 890723458072345 other threads on this subject, and learn that your preference as to what handgun caliber you or your wife carries means basically nothing. If this was a .45 vs 9mm thread I'd at least understand it somewhat

Actually, with how bad small .38 special revolers recoil, they really aren't good for women because they can't get the gun back on target for shit

that being said, m&p shield 9mm ftw. The wife shoots pretty well with it
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I carry a 380 in a pocket holster most of the time, something is better than nothing and the chances of me stopping to un belt my pants and put my ibw holster and g19 on for a trip to the gas station are slim
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Snake shot will blind a motherfucker in a heart beat. I've killed small game with the stuff. I don't want my wife to have to deal with killing someone, she's nutty enough as it is.
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Comparing pressure FMJ to JHP is like comparing apples to oranges. Have you ever shot at a piece of 1/4" sheet metal with each round with the same jacket/projectile? I have and from most powerful to least powerful the 38 leaves a bigger dent and almost penetrates, then 9mm then .380.
Nonsense.

In my stats, there was a typo. Here is the fixed version:

Std pressure:
.380 - 95 gr FMJ - 980 ft/s - 203 ft·lbf
.38 SP - 110 gr FMJ - 980 ft/s - 235 ft·lbf
9MM - 115 gr FMJ - 1,300 ft/s - 418 ft·lbf

Doesn't change the fact that a 9mm is significantly more powerful than a .38 SP.



And even if the 9mm was an HP, it wouldn't change the speed / power stats significantly, so no, it's not an "apples to oranges" comparison.
We're not talking impact characteristics here, which in that case there would be a difference between an HP and an FMJ obviously.
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best cary gun for ANYONE is one they are comfortable shooting, and can hit a target consistantly.

If your wife is nutty chances are she shuldnt be carying a gun anyways. might use it in the wrong situatin. give her some pepperspray and call it a day.

only time anyone should be pulling a cary gun is in fear of their life and shoot to kill to save yourself.
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Snake shot will blind a motherfucker in a heart beat. I've killed small game with the stuff. I don't want my wife to have to deal with killing someone, she's nutty enough as it is.
Then she doesn't get to carry. The whole point of having a Concealed Carry permit is for self defense. If she can't handle the thought of necessarily needing to use it to KILL someone that is causing her grave harm she doesn't sound mature enough to carry.

In fact, you don't seem mature enough either if you think loading snake shot to "get the point across" is a good idea.
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if you have to pull a weapon on anyone you should be shooting to kill not just harm or blind them.
no point in taking chances if you think your life is in danger
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So, pepper spray is better than snake shot and I should take her gun away? Got it. Done!

Thanks for all the great advice fellas!
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So, pepper spray is better than snake shot and I should take her gun away? Got it. Done!

Thanks for all the great advice fellas!
If you must use pepper spray, try this stuff:
Kimber America | Pepperblaster | The most powerful pepper defense system

I have the red "gun" shaped one and it fits good in the hand.
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If you must use pepper spray, try this stuff:
Kimber America | Pepperblaster | The most powerful pepper defense system

I have the red "gun" shaped one and it fits good in the hand.
You show me internet stats and video in which I could give a shit less about. Then this stupid fucking pepper spray that you say is better than snake shot...SMH. How about you're experiences with such ammo? YOU'RE TESTS...YOU'RE EXPERIENCE? Take one of each, shoot a 1/4 inch sheet metal and then tell me how you feel.....Seriously, stop believing every thing you read on the internet. Do you're own tests...
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I hope your wife has carry insurance because they will sue you guys broke if she shoots someone with "snake shot" seriously use normal hollow point self defense rounds
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Shoot to kill or don't shoot at all
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You may want to read up from some experts. Massad F. Ayoob. You can't get much better than this man. He can show you why you're wrong
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You show me internet stats and video in which I could give a shit less about. Then this stupid fucking pepper spray that you say is better than snake shot...SMH. How about you're experiences with such ammo? YOU'RE TESTS...YOU'RE EXPERIENCE? Take one of each, shoot a 1/4 inch sheet metal and then tell me how you feel.....Seriously, stop believing every thing you read on the internet. Do you're own tests...
Not sure where all this hostility is coming from. I posted facts about how a 9mm is more powerful than a .38 Special. This is a known fact which is not in question. You were making a claim that the opposite is true, which it is NOT.

Instead of using this as a learning experience to further your knowledge, you instead choose to defend your ignorance and make the claim that somehow your opinion is the correct one, even though it isn't. And still, you continue to stick to it when presented with evidence and facts to the contrary.

The topic of pepper spray came up and I offered my opinion about something that might be useful for your wife to use. Nowhere did I ever say it was better than Snake Shot. Please show me where I said that.

Other people have tried to give you advice, but you attack them also.
Really dude, what the fuck is your problem?
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Shoot all three rounds in the same sheet of metal and tell me what you see. I'm not going to be hound dogged just because of what I think is best for my wife or any other woman that doesn't care for shooting practice but likes the idea of having protection if needed. Two guys admit that they didn't even know what snake shot is and one of them even thinks its dumb. Only one dude tells what his wife is comfortable with... I wonder why military and police reject the 9mm? Because its too fast, maybe? IDK, I'm too ignorant evidently.
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Military has been using 9mm beretta for almost 30 years.

And if you look many LEO and Federal agencies also are switching to 9mm

I do agree with your last sentence.
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Shoot all three rounds in the same sheet of metal and tell me what you see. I'm not going to be hound dogged just because of what I think is best for my wife or any other woman that doesn't care for shooting practice but likes the idea of having protection if needed. Two guys admit that they didn't even know what snake shot is and one of them even thinks its dumb. Only one dude tells what his wife is comfortable with... I wonder why military and police reject the 9mm? Because its too fast, maybe? IDK, I'm too ignorant evidently.
FBI and most police have been running 9mm for the last couple years...

Science doesn't lie.

9mm can produce more stopping power then .38 or .380 when ammo type and gun are similar.

Any will still kill a person.

When you were shooting this piece of metal...What ammo were you using of each type and what gun? It could of been you were shooting a weak ass 9mm round against a more powerful p++ .38 round. Different ammo produces different power levels.
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