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Old 01-10-2017, 01:18 PM   #1
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Default TDI buyback/fix - Help Me Decide

What's up All! Looking for some input:

My wife has a 2015 Gen3 Passat, some of you have probably seen my posts in the VW TDI buyback thread.

I was leaning towards the buyback, but now that the fix for this thing is finalized it's a better offer than I anticipated.

Here are the details on the fix: https://www.vwcourtsettlement.com/en...Volkswagen.pdf

If we did the buyback we'd pocket about $8200 after paying off the loan. We could do this within the next ~2 months. If we do the fix we'd get $7500 total: $5k from the first phase, which is just a software update, and $2,500 for the second phase which is a hardware install (new DPF, two new catalysts). Phase 1 could be completed within ~2 months. Phase 2 and the remaining $2500 payout wouldn't happen for a year or longer

Pros/cons of the fix:

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- Keep a car that's financed at 0 x 72 that the wife loves
- Killer warranty after the fix. Turbo, fuel system, entire emissions/exhaust system are warrantied for 11 years or 162k miles
- Can pocket $5k quickly
- Don't need to worry about replacing it with something that's more expensive and is financed at higher interest. The wife likes the "R" line Passat so hopefully we could keep it cheap, but that's not a certainty.
- New DPF comes free with the fix, an expensive maintenance item

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- Car has 25k, will need to spend money on tires and brakes within a year and a half
- Less money overall, plus we'd have to wait a while for the $2500 balance
- Future resale uncertainty. Personally I think with there being no more TDI's produced for the US, values will strengthen a little, but that may not be the case



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The second part of the emissions modification will involve outfitting your car with new emission control parts to ensure system reliability and durability over time. If your car exceeds 40,000 miles (for automatic transmissions) or 70,000 miles (for manual transmissions) we will install updated emissions control system hardware - specifically a new Diesel Particulate Filter, Diesel Oxidation Catalyst, and Selective Catalytic Reduction Converter - that is needed to maintain emissions performance for the full useful life (150,000 miles) of your vehicle. As part of the Phase 2 modification, we will also install a second NOx sensor and corresponding software to improve the performance of the OBD system. The Phase 2 updates are expected to have no further impact on overall vehicle reliability, durability, fuel economy, engine sound, performance, or drivability.
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What would you guys be looking to get into if you got rid of it? Another VW?
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Sounds like a pretty damn good deal if you keep it. Especially with the extended warranty period. Plus the wife likes the car.

What would you replace it with if you did get rid of it?
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Probably an R-line Passat. They're surprisingly cheap at $25-26k MSRP, and they look to be selling for ~$23k.

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On the EA288, the diesel oxidation catalyst and the DPF/SCR catalyst (which are one single element) are both in a one-piece assembly module on the back of the engine. It's all welded into one piece. You can't replace any of them without replacing all of them (barring cutting and welding). As for why they are replacing them ... we don't know exactly, but it's either because something within that module is not capable of lasting the full required 150,000 mile life, or because the one they are putting in is better or different in some way than the original one.
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I said it in the other thread about how I wish I could have kept my Jetta tdi, I got out and into a GLI for something sportier compared to the tdi. Honestly I miss my tdi, and if the practically didn't give the GLI away for the deal I got, I'd wish I still had the TDI

Knowing what the benefits of the fix are in terms of money and warranty of those parts idk, tough call to keep it. However, I don't want to own one of these cars out of warranty on all the OTHER stuff
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I said it in the other thread about how I wish I could have kept my Jetta tdi, I got out and into a GLI for something sportier compared to the tdi. Honestly I miss my tdi, and if the practically didn't give the GLI away for the deal I got, I'd wish I still had the TDI

Knowing what the benefits of the fix are in terms of money and warranty of those parts idk, tough call to keep it. However, I don't want to own one of these cars out of warranty on all the OTHER stuff
TDI's are definitely great cars. With how much she drives it wouldn't be out of warranty for another 8-9 years, lol. Let's be real we're probably not going to keep a car for that long, and if we did the last thing I'd be worried about is spending a little money on maintenance. We got a good deal on the initial purchase, and when you add the fix money on top of the loyalty cash it effectively brings it down to a $19k brand new car

The wife is conflicted, I made the mistake of taking her to test drive a new car when I was trying to sell her on the buyback and now she doesn't know what to do.
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I heavily question the 'durability'. With all these retrofitted emissions controls, I see this car being back at the dealer probably 5 or more times for reflashes and parts replacement. Combine that with the added frustration of being stuck in limp mode when a $75 sensor fails.... No Bueno. I say get the fuck rid of this thing
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Have they introduced how they are going to fuel the regen process? Is it a 5th injector or through the exhaust stroke?
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it will regen the same way it does now, probably just more often if I had to guess.

The car already has DEF, a DPF, SCR etc. they'll just be changing them to updated units. they'll be in the same location, same housing, etc.

They're not adding anything that the car doesn't already have, which is the only reason I'm considering the fix.
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Purchase SUV if you are going to have kids within the next 5 or 6 years.
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I see a Ridgeline in your future
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Best thing to do is take the several thousands of dollars for the buy back, strip the parts off of the car and use the cash toward a new vehicle. Should be able to pay about half of a new one off right away.

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Best thing to do is take the several thousands of dollars for the buy back, strip the parts off of the car and use the cash toward a new vehicle. Should be able to pay about half of a new one off right away.

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And that will be all for this thread... Thanks folks
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Ty ty ty. I am leaning that way, no strings attached with a buyback
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The wife is sold on the buyback, were submitting the updated paperwork tomorrow.

Not going to lie, I'm gonna miss this thing
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Did they say if the fuel economy will decrease drastically or what it'll be?
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I don't know a lot about the buy back and investigation but id send it back. I feel resale will really hit hard in a few years and the car would be "worthless". I feel most of the non informed people think all VW's are "lemon's" because of this.
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