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Old 12-14-2017, 11:50 AM   #76
 
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...and 350R are in the same class based on price point but the ZL1 out power the R.
That is the issue. The power to weight ratio on the two cars is so far off it isn't a good comparison. But the fact that a heavier, less powerful, MUSTANG can kind of keep up with the best Camaro ever, is still pretty impressive. Considering what the Mustang has been since 1972. lol



I think the GT350 wing looks ok. The GT350R wing looks better than the ZL1 1LE wing. But I don't like either. haha
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Hell yes it is. It functional and looks a lot better.



looks like two loaves of fat hot garbage if i may say so myself.

point i was making, is both are awesome, and you couldn't go wrong with either.
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point i was making, is both are awesome, and you couldn't go wrong with either.
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That is the issue. The power to weight ratio on the two cars is so far off it isn't a good comparison. But the fact that a heavier, less powerful, MUSTANG can kind of keep up with the best Camaro ever, is still pretty impressive. Considering what the Mustang has been since 1972. lol



I think the GT350 wing looks ok. The GT350R wing looks better than the ZL1 1LE wing. But I don't like either. haha
Same could be said about the SS 1LE. Less powerful, cheaper and keeps up with a GT350.
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I'm the opposite. I don't think either are ugly by any stretch, just like the 350R look better.
I hear you there man.

There is something special about the 350R, but, man, that ZL1.

Way different and better compared to the 5th gen. Plus, it's apparently running 10's stock with the 10-speed auto.

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From a purely looks standpoint, 350 > Camaro.
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Same could be said about the SS 1LE. Less powerful, cheaper and keeps up with a GT350.
I'm not arguing that. I think the SS and ZL1 are great performers for the money. I'm not the one bashing either car here. lol
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id still rather own a terminator
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I'm not arguing that. I think the SS and ZL1 are great performers for the money. I'm not the one bashing either car here. lol
I'm bashing the R wing. That's it.
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id still rather own a terminator
And a 18 Camaro SS
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I'm bashing the R wing. That's it.
Well, I'll bash the dash/interior of the Camaro. We're even. lol
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I hate both wings equally. I'd get a 350 without the wing and listen to it run and then mash the gas and listen some more.

I don't care if its faster or slower than the Camaro
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Without driving either of them, and by looks and performance numbers I read I will take the ZL1 over the 350R. Both cars look badass in my opinion, I just love the front end of the ZL1
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Same could be said about the SS 1LE. Less powerful, cheaper and keeps up with a GT350.
Do we have official Nurburgring times to reflect this?
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Probably eventually sell my Terminator for 30k. Not a penny less

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I think the main point is that even those of us who would take the 350R over the Camaro aren't saying the Camaro is garbage.
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I got a good price on the Camaro. 7k under sticker
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Is that under dealer invoice?
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Its 7k under the 7k dealer markup
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It is a legit question. I am really curious how the price compares to the dealer invoice. Especially with the rebates and incentives, GM seems to give.
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garbage? really?

I mean I wouldn't kick one out of bed for eating crackers.

I laughed out loud at this
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