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Old 09-12-2017, 07:47 PM   #976
 
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I was always pissed I couldn't afford a Shitter, Phrog, Cobra, or even a lowly Huey when I had to work on them, let alone a Harrier.

I guess I should have been Union!
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Nope I'm just being realistic. At first I felt bad..... but this is supposed to be a compromise. You don't cry and throw a fit and get everything you want. The owners give in, and the strikers give in.

From what is being portrayed...... negotiations happen.......offers are made and then just voted no on.

So you tell me then. What's the real story? How long is this pouty cry match going to go on?

Tell us how much the techs have given in on, and how much the owners have given in on during these negotiations. I bet it's nearly all 1 sided.
Please go back and read some of the older posts. All the info is there. The techs took a 3 year pay freeze at one point to help the dealers during the recession. The dealers promised they would make it up to them in the next contract. It never happened and the dealers continue to take advantage of the techs.

So here we are now again and the dealers once again playing the same dirty games they always play.

The only greedy ones here are the dealers but it seems a lot of the general public thinks it's the techs. When a tech has more invested in tools than what they make in a year it's a sad state of affairs
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Please go back and read some of the older posts. All the info is there. The techs took a 3 year pay freeze at one point to help the dealers during the recession. The dealers promised they would make it up to them in the next contract. It never happened and the dealers continue to take advantage of the techs.



So here we are now again and the dealers once again playing the same dirty games they always play.



The only greedy ones here are the dealers but it seems a lot of the general public thinks it's the techs. When a tech has more invested in tools than what they make in a year it's a sad state of affairs


So if the dealers are now willing to provide guaranteed raises..... what is the issue?? Where did this 40 hour guarantee somehow come into play where it's keeping you from working for a 1/4 of the year??

It appears (per news articles) that the dealers are trying to negotiate and giving in a little. But the union just flat out says no.

Well hopefully that union is behind you guys when bills don't get paid. I really feel bad for the techs who just want to get back to work and are stuck with this union who is really hurting them
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And if you hate the dealer and the "owners" so much then Quit. Start your own dealer and run it how you want
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So basically sounds like they are being greedy. And I have no idea why they used jiffy lube as a comparison lol.

Yea this hurts those dealers it's not fun. But when that mortgage no longer gets paid for those workers. Maybe a deal will be accepted.

Guarantee of 35 hours, plus guaranteed raises, plus the healthcare issue added..... and still rejected??

Not gunna lie the union is really making it hard for anyone to support them
I'll start with healthcare. This added healthcare you read about is bullshit. Nothing about the our healthcare changes except they want the copay to go up 5 dollars a week in year 3.

Here's the issue. I'll let you guys decide on who's being greedy. 36 dealers have parted ways with the NCDC and negotiated their own deal with the union. That contract looks like this:

4 year deal. 35/35/35/36 guarantee. No additional 5 dollar copay at year 3
And other than that, same deal.

Union had us vote on yes for 35x4 and 5+ year 3 copay. Strike vote was 700-500

All these guys want is the same deal the shops that made their own deal got. It's that simple
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So the deal is good and ready to go...... but is hinging on 5 total dollars a Week 3 years from now? For real?

I guess it can be sad on both sides. The dealer could easily say ok fine no co pay increase of 5 dollars a week in 3 years.

But also that's sad on the union side. Voting no over 20 total dollars is freaking sad.

This is just a measuring contest on who can live longer. And it's not the techs it's your big shot union bosses who don't want to look weak
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So the deal is good and ready to go...... but is hinging on 5 total dollars a Week 3 years from now? For real?

I guess it can be sad on both sides. The dealer could easily say ok fine no co pay increase of 5 dollars a week in 3 years.

But also that's sad on the union side. Voting no over 20 total dollars is freaking sad.

This is just a measuring contest on who can live longer. And it's not the techs it's your big shot union bosses who don't want to look weak
that's what I understood him to say...

which in that case.

it's two hundred sixty fucking dollars A YEAR

come on ... both sides. fuck.
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So you live in Naperville, had a vette, and now a truck? What kind of truck is it?

Sorry for my ignorance, I don't know how these things work. Can Ferrari mechanics afford a Ferrari?
Still curious rocco, just so it doesn't get lost on the last page.
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So you don't know the full details but assume the middle class working man is the greedy money hungry fat cat?

And all those poor slob owners living in their million dollar homes shouldn't pay any of those grease monkey mechanics enough to even afford those vehicles they work on everyday.

Sounds about right.
of course not.

I don't know how this even applies here

if this is the logic we are shooting for, people who build multi-million dollar yachts should be able to afford them, people who work on airplanes, should have a 737 in their back yard, and all nascar pitcrew members should be able to buy nascar teams

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Bad logic is bad.
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At this point I agree with all of you. Why play The Who's Dick is bigger. Nobody wins.
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And if you hate the dealer and the "owners" so much then Quit. Start your own dealer and run it how you want
Exactly. Tool boxes have wheels, credentials transfer. My shop has already lost our trans tech/diesel tech to a shop that struck a deal with 701. Awesome tech and a great guy. That's going to hurt our shop much more than our boss realizes
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LOL...there is no way the fight is now over $260.

Cost/benefit for either side says its better to give up $260 rather than continue the strike. Especially on the dealer side where its just business. Their finance people would be telling them to not bother fighting over $260, and they'd make the business decision to give it up.
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LOL...there is no way the fight is now over $260.

Cost/benefit for either side says its better to give up $260 rather than continue the strike. Especially on the dealer side where its just business. Their finance people would be telling them to not bother fighting over $260, and they'd make the business decision to give it up.
Also understand the average service dept loses 15k a day...
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Also understand the average service dept loses 15k a day...
Thats what I mean. A dealer would just make a business decision at the point of $260 and say...well, its cheaper for me to give up the $260 rather than lose $15k a day for another week or more.

A giant group of business owners (dealers), aren't going to make an emotional decision to "win" on a $260 negotiation. It is money that matters.
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Sadly it's all about winning. And remember their offer has to be lower than the ones who left their committee and signed their own deals. Bc they have to wave a big fuck you at all of those guys too.
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Also understand the average service dept loses 15k a day...
but of course they are also not having much overhead currently.

they aren't profiting 15k a day... right? i mean just thinking about that they would have to be clearing a good amount daily/monthly/yearly to have 15k a day profit from service alone.

or are they?
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Oh they do. And most shops that have hired scabs still have to employ porters, service writers, and parts employees.

A dealer service dept in this area makes anywhere from 300k-1mil a month
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Oh they do. And most shops that have hired scabs still have to employ porters, service writers, and parts employees.

A dealer service dept in this area makes anywhere from 300k-1mil a month
makes, not profits... ?

if they are net-profitting a million a month, they have to be clearing, i mean avg automotive net profit percentage is 3-5% from this:

Operating and Net Margins

if they are proffiting 300-1 mil, that means they are clearing 10 million to over 30 million in service alone, a month? three hundred sixty million dollars a year in service alone? really?

i think not
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Sorry you are correct. Making, not profiting.
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i mean, bringing in 15k a day, if they are net profiting 5% typically... that's $750 a day.

the union workers are hurting FAR worse than the dealers here, especially since the dealer is just going to write it off as a loss...
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I mean, I could be missing this entirely, but just spitballin' here.
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I don't think you're wrong at all. That sounds realistic.
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Correct. The workers should be folding at get back to work. That isn't enough to hold out for to further hurt themselves. IMO I'd want to be working if it was me
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Correct. The workers should be folding at get back to work. That isn't enough to hold out for to further hurt themselves. IMO I'd want to be working if it was me


union sold their workers a bad hand here, a really bad one frankly (go figure)... fuck.
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