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Old 04-21-2017, 06:03 AM   #26
 
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if you really want to more directly compare the M4, what's the do everything car like it's trying to be, in the same price range, that's better? those would be much better comparisons.
Already been said I think...ZL1

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i can't say i've been in one, but are you going to claim a camaro is just as nice a street car as an m4? cuz i'm skeptical of that.
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Except that's not true. American cars are on par or faster than most exotics on the track. European cars used to handle a lot better than American cars, but the opposite is the case today.


Not true at all. You are taking the zo6 and ace viper etc lap times and applying that across the board as if all cars America produces are now faster.

The fact is the euro cars have entire car lines devoted to track focused cars, that can also drive to work.

BMW- M1, M4, M5, M6, even SUVs that are Ms

Mercedes- has the AMG line.

Audi- has the S line of cars.

I'm not saying all their cars are faster, or all our cars are faster but they do have quite a bit more o options than we do.
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I mean I do miss the days where we used to have entire lines of sports cars of normal model. I miss the old SRT days of dodge, I miss the multiple SS models by Chevrolet, and so on. It's just gone away from that and more to one or 2 focused models.

Hell I even miss cars like my old srt-4. Affordable fun you can thrash for the masses
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Not true at all. You are taking the zo6 and ace viper etc lap times and applying that across the board as if all cars America produces are now faster.

The fact is the euro cars have entire car lines devoted to track focused cars, that can also drive to work.

BMW- M1, M4, M5, M6, even SUVs that are Ms

Mercedes- has the AMG line.

Audi- has the S line of cars.

I'm not saying all their cars are faster, or all our cars are faster but they do have quite a bit more o options than we do.

No, I'm comparing cars like the Camaro, Mustang, Corvette, Viper, V Series Cadillacs etc. These cars all are comparable to European cars on the track and street.

Also many of the German cars above get complaints as being poor on the street as you are pointing out for the Americans. Go watch a few episodes of The Grand Tour.
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I've ridden in a few amg 4 door cars, as well as an m5. Newer... like 2011-2013. The quality and ride especially in comfort mode is fantastic. I'm
Sure some of the cars are pretty harsh, but if you do not want the harshness buy the normal 5 series.

A camaro or mustang does not compare to an m5 or amg as far as overall quality. And this is coming from someone who is a huge domestic guy.

They are plastic cars, and that is fine. It's a totally different market. And the price point is also very different as well
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I read halfway thru and seen no manual trans. didn't even finish or read comments. Stupidest shit BMW ever did. I'm out.
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I don't like the styling of it, BMW has put out much better looking cars.
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I like it and think it fills the gap in price and performance in their line up. The problem is, BMW must still think it's 2001? They don't dominate anymore and shouldn't command a dominating price like this one.

Imo, this car SHOULD have been the M4 priced at 80k ish. As said, other companies have caught up and do it with a more reliable car.
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American cars are scheisse.

Just like their owners- fat, lazy, sister fucking sons of trailer trash whores. Cheap und useless.

How many cup holders does zis "One L E" have? Seiben, Acht? I'm sure zhey hold a 'Big Gulp' as vwell. How long until the plastic interior begins rattling like your meth addict zsister's teeth?

German cars vith zheir perfect und precise engineering are ze best cars. Heil BMW!

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i can't say i've been in one, but are you going to claim a camaro is just as nice a street car as an m4? cuz i'm skeptical of that.
I'd say it would be every bit as good of a street car as an M4. Is the BMW a little nicer? Probably, but it better be for 60k more. It would just suck knowing that a crappy Camaro would bitch slap that German pos in any performance contest for half the price...
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American cars are scheisse.

Just like their owners- fat, lazy, sister fucking sons of trailer trash whores. Cheap und useless.

How many cup holders does zis "One L E" have? Seiben, Acht? I'm sure zhey hold a 'Big Gulp' as vwell. How long until the plastic interior begins rattling like your meth addict zsister's teeth?

German cars vith zheir perfect und precise engineering are ze best cars. Heil BMW!

When's wife getting new Hitlermobile? It's got a date with the Scat Cat...
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